Bug 107932

Summary:	Export slide outline rather than slide titles in PDF index/outline
Product:	LibreOffice	Reporter:	Timur <timur>
Component:	Impress	Assignee:	Not Assigned <libreoffice-bugs>
Status:	NEW ---
Severity:	enhancement	CC:	cno, Explorer09, ilmari.lauhakangas, philipz85, vsfoote
Priority:	medium
Version:	Inherited From OOo
Hardware:	All
OS:	All
See Also:	https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=95193 https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=129012 https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=118136 https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=151637 https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=71854
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Bug Blocks:	103378, 103407
Attachments:	Writer export related to Heiko's comment and not for this bug

Description Timur 2017-05-18 12:43:11 UTC

Impress like other LO apps has an option "Export bookmarks" on PDF export. Seems to be there from OO.

It exports slide names, which seems not be documented. 
https://help.libreoffice.org/index.php?title=Common/Export_as_PDF only says:
...export bookmarks of Writer documents as PDF bookmarks. Bookmarks are created for all outline paragraphs (Tools - Outline Numbering) ....

Presentation usually has slide titles and rarely slide renames (at least in my case). In that case bookmarks are: Slide 1, Slide 2, ....

I propose having an option to also export slide titles as bookmarks, like:
"Export bookmarks as: [] Slide names  [] Slide titles".
In that case even both could be exported (Slide 1 Title 1), some (Slide 1 or Title 1) or none (no bookmarks).

Notes: Interesting to see Bug 95193. Help should be amended for all this.

Comment 1 Buovjaga 2017-05-24 18:46:54 UTC

As this proposal would add an option (and thus complexity), let's whirl this past UX.

Comment 2 Heiko Tietze 2017-05-26 11:05:42 UTC

Right, Impress has no bookmarks. So the options are:
a) Use another property such as the slide name (behavior today; where name is set by default to the slide title)
b) Rename the option and allow to export name plus title, optional (suggestion)
c) Just remove this option

The use case is to quickly jump in the PDF reader to the reference (the "bookmark" is interpreted as "content", at least by Okular). So what we actually export in Impress is the document structure. And I don't see a reason why this should go beyond the slide name or title. So I would keep the option but rename it. Other opinions?

Btw. when I export bookmarks in Writer it has no effect on the output at all. Test per dt+F3 (to insert some text), add bookmarks to the text, and export to pdf.

Comment 3 Timur 2017-05-26 13:29:58 UTC

Created attachment 133618 [details]
Writer export related to Heiko's comment and not for this bug

(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #2)
> Btw. when I export bookmarks in Writer it has no effect on the output at
> all. Test per dt+F3 (to insert some text), add bookmarks to the text, and
> export to pdf.
If you refer to "Writer bookmarks" export as PDF bookmarks, it doesn't work like that. As in Help, it works like this: "Bookmarks are created for all outline paragraphs". Output is attached. So improvement would be to call this: "Export headings as bookmarks" and I may submit another bug fro that. 
"Export Writer bookmarks as PDF bookmarks" would be yet another issue, maybe with another tick. If you meant something else, please explain.

Comment 4 Heiko Tietze 2017-05-28 09:53:31 UTC

(In reply to Timur from comment #3)
> As in Help, it works like this: "Bookmarks are created for all
> outline paragraphs". Output is attached. So improvement would be to call
> this: "Export headings as bookmarks" and I may submit another bug for that. 

+1 for this

> "Export Writer bookmarks as PDF bookmarks" would be yet another issue, maybe
> with another tick. If you meant something else, please explain.

And here the confusion begins. If outlines (and titles/names) are exported as bookmarks why should the bookmark as such get exported as well? I would just remove this.

But the actual question was how to deal with Impress. So what's your take @Jay @Stuart @Cor?

Comment 5 Yousuf Philips (jay) (retired) 2017-05-28 19:06:55 UTC

We should follow the same behaviour as Writer and export the presentation outline (aka slide titles) to the pdf index rather than what we are currently doing of export the slide names, as we dont display the slide names by default and users are not likely to rename them (also you cant rename them in powerpoint).

Comment 6 Cor Nouws 2017-05-28 20:28:45 UTC

(In reply to Yousuf Philips (jay) from comment #5)
> We should follow the same behaviour as Writer and export the presentation
> outline (aka slide titles) to the pdf index rather than what we are
> currently doing of export the slide names, as we dont display the slide
> names by default and users are not likely to rename them

yes, I support that.

> (also you cant rename them in powerpoint).

Ouch, how ugly.

Comment 7 Heiko Tietze 2017-06-01 12:24:33 UTC

We talked about the question in the design meeting and recommend to export outlines (aka slide titles in Impress not slide names) to PDF, being enabled by default. And the label should reflect the function and get changed to "Export outlines" (also in other modules).

Removing UX keyword.

Comment 8 Yousuf Philips (jay) (retired) 2017-06-01 18:00:56 UTC

(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #7)
> And the label should reflect the function and get changed to
> "Export outlines" (also in other modules).

In writer this doesnt change as writer always exports the outline with the checkbox enabled or not, but presently it doesnt even export bookmarks when it is checked (bug 78779).

Comment 9 Timur 2018-06-25 12:05:08 UTC

*** Bug 118135 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

Comment 10 Timur 2018-06-25 12:10:56 UTC

*** Bug 118136 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***