Bug 161252

Summary:	bibliography shows either number or short title in the entry not both
Product:	LibreOffice	Reporter:	johnks <testing1237a-c>
Component:	Writer	Assignee:	Not Assigned <libreoffice-bugs>
Status:	RESOLVED DUPLICATE
Severity:	enhancement	CC:	dgp-mail, libreoffice-ux-advise, vsfoote
Priority:	medium	Keywords:	needsUXEval
Version:	24.2.3.2 release
Hardware:	All
OS:	All
Whiteboard:
Crash report or crash signature:		Regression By:
Bug Depends on:
Bug Blocks:	101258
Attachments:	bibliography number test

Description johnks 2024-05-24 07:34:51 UTC

Description:
in bibliography, you have to decide between the short title or number but not both. 

This makes referencing difficult as in a printed document the reader will think it is merely an empty reference without any details because only short title is shown in the actual text. Then user must manually see the name and verify from bibliography index the full citation.

i am asking that we give option for both. short title and number like we give number with title in an endnote

Steps to Reproduce:
1. insert a bibliography entry following https://help.libreoffice.org/7.0/en-US/text/swriter/guide/indices_literature.html?DbPAR=WRITER
2. insert "table of contents> bibliography"


Actual Results:
you can show the actual bibliography entry short title or number but not both.



Expected Results:
i am hoping for an option to show both short title and number the same way we show a number in endnote.


Reproducible: Always


User Profile Reset: No

Additional Info:
Version: 24.2.3.2 (X86_64) / LibreOffice Community
Build ID: 433d9c2ded56988e8a90e6b2e771ee4e6a5ab2ba
CPU threads: 4; OS: Linux 6.5; UI render: default; VCL: gtk3
Locale: en-IN (en_IN); UI: en-US
Calc: threaded

Comment 1 johnks 2024-05-24 07:35:10 UTC

Created attachment 194326 [details]
bibliography number test

Comment 2 johnks 2024-05-24 08:43:29 UTC

to reiterate the feature,

currently we can either show the citation as 

lorem (John vs doe) ipsum

or 

lorem (1) ipsum


i am asking that we show the citation as 

Lorem (John vs doe (1) ipsum

Comment 3 Dieter 2024-06-09 15:45:23 UTC

I can see the problem

1. Open attachment 194326 [details]
2. Place cursor into index -> edit index

It's only possible to select or deselect "number entries", but you can't combine it with showing entries.

But I also don't understand the order of entries in the index. It has
john vs doe
Cat vs dog

but since it is sorted "Alphanumeric", I would expect
Cat vs dog
john vs doe

I miss also information in help page about "Formating of the Entries" and "Sort", see https://help.libreoffice.org/24.8/en-GB/text/swriter/01/04120211.html?System=WIN&DbPAR=WRITER&HID=modules/swriter/ui/tocindexpage/TocIndexPage#bm_id3145247

So perhaps design team can give some insights

Comment 4 Heiko Tietze 2024-06-10 07:23:46 UTC

Can we make this request a duplicate of bug 157064 or some other from META bug 101258?

Comment 5 V Stuart Foote 2024-06-10 13:03:49 UTC

(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #4)
> Can we make this request a duplicate of bug 157064 

Yes please. And rather than one off handling of a few styles as here, we need ability to style against CSL; and even better integration of CSL capable reference managers as extension (e.g. Zotero or Mendeley).

Comment 6 Heiko Tietze 2024-06-11 05:44:29 UTC


*** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 157064 ***