Created attachment 131882 [details] Writer document with chart in standard colors (LibO 5.1.4.2) Color set/palette for charts is missing since reorganization of color palettes. Now you can't select a color of the pre-defined color set in an existing palette to resort the order of colors or whatever. The chart color set had 12 colors (Chart 1 to Chart 12). First suggestion for a solution: A Chart palette could be introduced, which could be easily changed if the chart color set will be changed in the future. Second suggestion for a solution: Another pretty colors from Standard palette (or another palette) could be used as default chart color set.
Created attachment 131883 [details] Default chart color set in LibO 5.1.4.2 (and older versions) First color (Chart 1, in German: Diagramm 1) is selected and highlighted in the color list.
Created attachment 131884 [details] Chart colors not available in color palettes of LibO 5.3 First color (Chart 1, in German: Diagramm 1) is selected but there is no equivalent in the color palettes of LibO anymore.
this seems a duplicate of bug 105225 *** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 105225 ***
Xisco, I thought bug 105225 is for accessing color palettes. This bug covers the fact that there are no colors or no color palette for charts anymore. Did I misunderstand the other bug?
This is indeed not a duplicate. Chart colours were removed without replacement from standard colour palette in https://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=765826abcaa441d4d90ffbe75bc3c626c42e639b Chart module uses legacy colour pickers all over the place which only show colours from standard palette, but even if different palettes were available (replacing legacy pickers with modern ones), chart users still have effectively no access to those colours because they exist in no other palette. But hey, that's UX improvement for you </heavy_irony>
Adding keyword needsUXEval because user should be able to reuse the chart default colors, so this is a UX and design issue. Idea: A chart color palette should be introduced. Or another idea to handle that?
Another palette only adds confusion as we have today quite many different variants. I'd rather go with the standard palette and select new colors. Plus, we should provide common access to colors and palettes (bug 105225) and could offer the old chart palette as extension (if this one isn't the same as the old standard palette).
Colors adjusted as close as possible to the old design. https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/37819/
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #8) > Colors adjusted as close as possible to the old design. > https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/37819/ The patch was refused favoring a new palette (discussion also on Telegram). As I voted against that approach because adding various palettes contradicts our previous work I'm out here.
As mentioned on telegram, we can create a new color palette that contains various chart color palettes in it, including the old one, some new ones from various sources and the new default one whenever its finalized. Patch - https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/37888 Call for Submissions http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Chart-Colors-td4214948.html
(In reply to Yousuf Philips (jay) from comment #10) > As mentioned on telegram, we can create a new color palette that contains > various chart color palettes in it, including the old one, some new ones > from various sources and the new default one whenever its finalized. > > Patch - https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/37888 > > Call for Submissions > http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Chart-Colors-td4214948.html Not sure about legal issues calling colors "Excel 2010".
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #11) > Not sure about legal issues calling colors "Excel 2010". We use "Excel 2007-2013 XML" in the save as dialog in Calc, but lets change it to "MS Office 2010" as the chart colors are used in any MSO app.
Yousuf Philips committed a patch related to this issue. It has been pushed to "master": http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=5a5864f5eec6761a8c20f4b77bac8bd83c7cec84 tdf#106534 New color palette with various charts palettes It will be available in 5.5.0. The patch should be included in the daily builds available at http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/ in the next 24-48 hours. More information about daily builds can be found at: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Testing_Daily_Builds Affected users are encouraged to test the fix and report feedback.
Yousuf Philips committed a patch related to this issue. It has been pushed to "libreoffice-5-4": http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=6950cbe233b72e87f0cbbeaf8903d5c8caa7bf7d&h=libreoffice-5-4 tdf#106534 New color palette with various charts palettes It will be available in 5.4.0.1. The patch should be included in the daily builds available at http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/ in the next 24-48 hours. More information about daily builds can be found at: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Testing_Daily_Builds Affected users are encouraged to test the fix and report feedback.
Calling colors by there alien names probably violates copyright. We should rename the colors.
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #15) > Calling colors by there alien names probably violates copyright. We should > rename the colors. The point of the colors is for users to identify that they are the same chart color palette used by default in MSO, so not sure how renaming them from 'MS Office 201X XXXXXXX' would be of benefit or be understandable to users. Also i've seen other office suites that have also used similar naming, e.g. Softmaker Office[1] uses 'Excel 2010' and 'Excel 5.0', so doubt there is an issue. Also we do have 'MS Excel' in our help. [1] https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Z1IBeqKnscoODgFDNm81iDnwkzxce92sEsYuMggnTDQ/edit#heading=h.5af7ly204war [2] https://help.libreoffice.org/Writer/Section
(In reply to Yousuf Philips (jay) from comment #16) > (In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #15) > > Calling colors by there alien names probably violates copyright. We should > > rename the colors. > > The point of the colors is for users to identify that they are the same > chart color palette used by default in MSO, so not sure how renaming them > from 'MS Office 201X XXXXXXX' would be of benefit or be understandable to > users. Also i've seen other office suites that have also used similar > naming, e.g. Softmaker Office[1] uses 'Excel 2010' and 'Excel 5.0', so doubt > there is an issue. Also we do have 'MS Excel' in our help. > > [1] > https://docs.google.com/document/d/ > 1Z1IBeqKnscoODgFDNm81iDnwkzxce92sEsYuMggnTDQ/edit#heading=h.5af7ly204war > > [2] https://help.libreoffice.org/Writer/Section We do have MS Excel when we refer to MS Excel functions or interoperability. But it's not a good idea to rename palettes using Microsoft branding, it's really not what we want to show our users and contributors. Please bring this to legal@tdf before submitting such changes, thanks!. Sophie
(In reply to Thomas Lendo from comment #2) > Created attachment 131884 [details] Colors 3 and 15 look very similar. I think having as many differently looking colors as possible is a good idea. It seems that colors repeat too early.
Back to resolved. The chart palette has been implemented.