Bug 106803 - CALC - other cases of incorrect help
Summary: CALC - other cases of incorrect help
Status: RESOLVED WORKSFORME
Alias: None
Product: LibreOffice
Classification: Unclassified
Component: Localization (show other bugs)
Version:
(earliest affected)
5.2.5.1 release
Hardware: All Windows (All)
: medium normal
Assignee: Not Assigned
URL:
Whiteboard:
Keywords:
: 106801 (view as bug list)
Depends on:
Blocks:
 
Reported: 2017-03-27 17:41 UTC by gmarco
Modified: 2019-03-21 15:01 UTC (History)
3 users (show)

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screenshot (101.98 KB, image/jpeg)
2017-03-27 17:41 UTC, gmarco
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CALC-cerca (57.83 KB, image/jpeg)
2017-03-27 17:43 UTC, gmarco
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CALC-cercaO (93.93 KB, image/jpeg)
2017-03-27 17:44 UTC, gmarco
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CALC-cercaV (229.95 KB, image/jpeg)
2017-03-27 17:44 UTC, gmarco
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CALC-gcd-mcd-mcm-lcm (48.53 KB, image/jpeg)
2017-03-27 17:45 UTC, gmarco
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CALC-gcd (72.22 KB, image/jpeg)
2017-03-27 17:46 UTC, gmarco
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CALC-indir1 (182.56 KB, image/jpeg)
2017-03-27 17:47 UTC, gmarco
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CALC-indir2 (189.66 KB, image/jpeg)
2017-03-27 17:47 UTC, gmarco
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CALC-indir3 (170.84 KB, image/jpeg)
2017-03-27 17:48 UTC, gmarco
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CALC-lcm 1 (137.39 KB, image/jpeg)
2017-03-27 17:48 UTC, gmarco
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CALC-lcm 2 (85.32 KB, image/jpeg)
2017-03-27 17:49 UTC, gmarco
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CALC-nomi1a (200.14 KB, image/jpeg)
2017-03-27 17:49 UTC, gmarco
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CALC-nomi1b (255.97 KB, image/jpeg)
2017-03-27 17:50 UTC, gmarco
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CALC-nomi2 (218.00 KB, image/jpeg)
2017-03-27 17:51 UTC, gmarco
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CALC-nomi3 (243.72 KB, image/jpeg)
2017-03-27 17:51 UTC, gmarco
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CALC-rawsubtract (114.84 KB, image/jpeg)
2017-03-27 17:52 UTC, gmarco
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CALC-ricerca (99.96 KB, image/jpeg)
2017-03-27 17:52 UTC, gmarco
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CALC-trova (65.72 KB, image/jpeg)
2017-03-27 17:53 UTC, gmarco
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CALC-vero (47.25 KB, image/jpeg)
2017-03-27 17:53 UTC, gmarco
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CALC-ricerca1 (211.80 KB, image/jpeg)
2017-03-28 09:33 UTC, gmarco
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CALC-ricerca2 (267.59 KB, image/jpeg)
2017-03-28 09:34 UTC, gmarco
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Description gmarco 2017-03-27 17:41:47 UTC
Created attachment 132177 [details]
screenshot

With reference to attachments:

#CALC-arrot	untranslated text
#CALC-cerca	untranslated text
#CALC-cercaO	untranslated text
#CALC-cercaV	untranslated text
#CALC-indir1	"notation" is a repetition of "notazione"
#CALC-indir2	"ASSOLUTO" has to be "ASS"
#CALC-indir3	also here "notation" is a repetition of "notazione"
#CALC-nomi1a	menu is "Inserisci - Espressioni con nome - Definisci"
#CALC-nomi1b	"Cambia" button does not exist (and further: how to rename?).
Same as above from "Inserisci - Espressioni con nome - Gestisci".

#CALC-nomi2	special characters "." and " " are invalid, only "_" allowed.
#CALC-nomi3	clicking on Aiuto (Help) from "Inserisci - Espressioni con nome - Inserisci" no help (it goes to the beginning of the guide).

#CALC-rawsubtract	untranslated text and invalid function

#CALC-ricerca	"Testo è il testo da cui parte la ricerca" would be translated "Testo in cui eseguire la ricerca" (in effect EN is "Text is the text where the search will take place").
The Example "=RICERCA(54; 998877665544) restituisce 10" is misleading: the string begins with a blank character, so, beeing a number, the result is really 10 but was it a text string the result would be 11 as in =RICERCA(54;" 998877665544").
The EN example is instead right: =SEARCH(54;998877665544).
Moreover, being SEARCH a text function, also an example with a text string would be more appropriate.

#CALC-trova	same as above for Search. The EN example is instead right: =FIND(76;998877665544).

#CALC-vero	the text "La funzione TRUE() ...)" must be "La funzione VERO() ...". Moreover the examples are wrong and would be =VERO() restituisce VERO and =NON(VERO()) restituisce FALSO.

#CALC-gcd-mcd-mcm-lcm	in IT GCD - LCM  are invalid and items 38.3:38.6 are about COMBINAZIONE & COMBINAZIONE.VALORI (also for EN)

#CALC-gcd		GCD invalid
#CALC-lcm 1 & 2		LCM invalid and omitted headers for COMBINAZIONE & COMBINAZIONE.VALORI (also for EN)
Comment 1 gmarco 2017-03-27 17:43:31 UTC
Created attachment 132178 [details]
CALC-cerca
Comment 2 gmarco 2017-03-27 17:44:19 UTC
Created attachment 132179 [details]
CALC-cercaO
Comment 3 gmarco 2017-03-27 17:44:52 UTC
Created attachment 132180 [details]
CALC-cercaV
Comment 4 gmarco 2017-03-27 17:45:43 UTC
Created attachment 132181 [details]
CALC-gcd-mcd-mcm-lcm
Comment 5 gmarco 2017-03-27 17:46:20 UTC
Created attachment 132182 [details]
CALC-gcd
Comment 6 gmarco 2017-03-27 17:47:10 UTC
Created attachment 132183 [details]
CALC-indir1
Comment 7 gmarco 2017-03-27 17:47:44 UTC
Created attachment 132184 [details]
CALC-indir2
Comment 8 gmarco 2017-03-27 17:48:16 UTC
Created attachment 132185 [details]
CALC-indir3
Comment 9 gmarco 2017-03-27 17:48:50 UTC
Created attachment 132186 [details]
CALC-lcm 1
Comment 10 gmarco 2017-03-27 17:49:18 UTC
Created attachment 132187 [details]
CALC-lcm 2
Comment 11 gmarco 2017-03-27 17:49:56 UTC
Created attachment 132188 [details]
CALC-nomi1a
Comment 12 gmarco 2017-03-27 17:50:31 UTC
Created attachment 132189 [details]
CALC-nomi1b
Comment 13 gmarco 2017-03-27 17:51:06 UTC
Created attachment 132190 [details]
CALC-nomi2
Comment 14 gmarco 2017-03-27 17:51:38 UTC
Created attachment 132191 [details]
CALC-nomi3
Comment 15 gmarco 2017-03-27 17:52:13 UTC
Created attachment 132192 [details]
CALC-rawsubtract
Comment 16 gmarco 2017-03-27 17:52:45 UTC
Created attachment 132193 [details]
CALC-ricerca
Comment 17 gmarco 2017-03-27 17:53:15 UTC
Created attachment 132194 [details]
CALC-trova
Comment 18 gmarco 2017-03-27 17:53:52 UTC
Created attachment 132195 [details]
CALC-vero
Comment 19 Xisco Faulí 2017-03-27 18:13:02 UTC
*** Bug 106801 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Comment 20 gmarco 2017-03-28 09:33:49 UTC
Created attachment 132206 [details]
CALC-ricerca1
Comment 21 gmarco 2017-03-28 09:34:22 UTC
Created attachment 132207 [details]
CALC-ricerca2
Comment 22 gmarco 2017-03-28 09:35:31 UTC
Forgot:
looking for "ricerca" in the local guide
- in "indice" appears an inconsistent page and you can not find the correct one
- to find the correct page you have to look in "trova".
Comment 23 Buovjaga 2017-03-30 12:28:40 UTC
Why not work directly in Pootle, btw.? https://translations.documentfoundation.org/it/libo_help/scalc/
Comment 24 Olivier Hallot 2017-04-06 13:54:33 UTC
I am changing the component to Localization... it does seems to be an italian translation issue.
Comment 25 Xisco Faulí 2017-11-02 10:19:55 UTC
(In reply to Olivier Hallot from comment #24)
> I am changing the component to Localization... it does seems to be an
> italian translation issue.

Hi Olivier,
What the status of this issue? Should it be moved to NEW?
Comment 26 Xisco Faulí 2018-01-09 11:09:54 UTC
Could you please try to reproduce it with the latest version of LibreOffice
from https://www.libreoffice.org/download/libreoffice-fresh/ ?
I have set the bug's status to 'NEEDINFO'. Please change it back to
'UNCONFIRMED' if the bug is still present in the latest version.
Comment 27 gmarco 2018-01-09 22:15:59 UTC
(In reply to Xisco Faulí from comment #26)

All the cases related to the https://help.libreoffice.org are still present in 5.4.4.2.

Some cases related to the local help appears corrected, but ...

1)  about attachment "CALC-nomi2":  special characters "." and " " are invalid, only "_" allowed, that is "name_x" is allowed, but not "name.x", "name x".

2)  about attachments "CALC-ricerca1 and 2": looking for "ricerca" in the local guide ...
- searching in "indice" I get "collegamenti nelle celle" and clicking there it appears an inconsistent page and you can not find the correct one
- to find the correct page you have to search in "trova" and click on "Ricerca valore destinazione".
Comment 28 Xisco Faulí 2018-11-27 14:40:54 UTC
Hello gmarco,
A new major release of LibreOffice is available since this bug was reported.
Could you please try to reproduce it with the latest version of LibreOffice
from https://www.libreoffice.org/download/libreoffice-fresh/ ?
I have set the bug's status to 'NEEDINFO'. Please change it back to
'UNCONFIRMED' if the bug is still present in the latest version.
Comment 29 gmarco 2018-11-28 14:18:31 UTC
(In reply to Xisco Faulí from comment #28)
> Hello gmarco,
> A new major release of LibreOffice is available since this bug was reported.
> Could you please try to reproduce it with the latest version of LibreOffice
> from https://www.libreoffice.org/download/libreoffice-fresh/ ?
> I have set the bug's status to 'NEEDINFO'. Please change it back to
> 'UNCONFIRMED' if the bug is still present in the latest version.

I'll verify.
But a question: opening LO it appears a msg saying "an update of LO is available
click on the icon for more information "

then, by clicking on the icon, it says "LO 6.0.7 is available" but clicking on "download" proposes to me 6.1.3

why these misalignments?
Comment 30 gmarco 2018-11-28 18:57:48 UTC
Preamble: the html guide needs some revisions, as an example initially in Index appears WRITER, how to look for CALC? actually that is possible only forwarding page-to-page.

1) attachment 132177 [details]  CALC-arrot  about "ARROTONDA.ECCESSO" 
https://help.libreoffice.org/Calc/Mathematical_Functions/it#ARROTONDA.ECCESSO  
it is still same: some text is still in English

2) attachment 132178 [details]  CALC-cerca  about "CERCA"
https://help.libreoffice.org/Calc/Spreadsheet_Functions/it#CERCA
it is still same: some text is still in English

3) attachment 132179 [details] CALC-cercaO  about "CERCA.ORIZZ"
https://help.libreoffice.org/Calc/Spreadsheet_Functions/it#CERCA.ORIZZ
it is still same: "Sintassi" is still in English

4) attachment 132180 [details] CALC-cercaV  about "CERCA.VERT"
https://help.libreoffice.org/Calc/Spreadsheet_Functions/it#CERCA.VERT
it is still same: "Sintassi" is still in English

5) attachments 132181-132182  CALC-gcd-mcd-mcm-lcm
https://help.libreoffice.org/Calc/Mathematical_Functions/it
it is still same:
about 35 GCD_EXCEL2003:	invalid function
about 38 LCM_EXCEL2003:	invalid function
       38.1 Sintassi
       38.2 Esempio
       38.3 Sintassi	it refers to COMBINAZIONE(Numero 1; Numero 2)
       38.4 Esempio	idem
       38.5 Sintassi	it refers to COMBINAZIONE(Numero 1; Numero 2)
       38.6 Esempio	idem

6) attachments 132183-132184  CALC-indir1-CALC-indir2  about "INDIRIZZO"
https://help.libreoffice.org/Calc/Spreadsheet_Functions/it#INDIRIZZO
it is still same: the English word "notation" is in excess and the text is confused:
"In caso di notazione R1C1 notation, la funzione INDIRIZZO restituisce ..."
and "La funzione INDIRETTO viene salvata senza conversione nel formato ODF 1.0/1.1"
 and in the example the reference is to  another function:
"Se la cella A1 nella tabella 2 contiene il valore -6, con la funzione in B2 potete fare riferimento indirettamente alla relativa cella, digitando in una formula =ASSOLUTO(INDIRETTO(B2))....

7) attachment 132185 [details]  CALC-indir3  about "INDIRETTO"
https://help.libreoffice.org/Calc/Spreadsheet_Functions/it#INDIRETTO
it is still same: the English word "notation" is in excess and the text is confused:
"In caso di notazione R1C1 notation, la funzione INDIRIZZO restituisce ... e INDIRETTO attende ..."
and "Quando aprite documenti dal formato ODF 1.0/1.1, le funzioni INDIRIZZO che ..."
and "Nel memorizzare un documento nel formato ODF 1.0/1.1, se le funzioni INDIRIZZO prevedono ..."

8) attachments 132186-132186  CALC-lcm 1-CALC-lcm 12  ignore them, duplicates of the att.132182

9) attachment 132188 [details] to 132191   CALC-nomi..  all has been changed and appears ok

10) attachment 132192 [details]  CALC-rawsubtract  about "RAWSUBTRACT"
https://help.libreoffice.org/Calc/Mathematical_Functions/it
in the index the item 9 RAWSUBTRACT is unrelated (NOT IT)

11) attachment 132193 [details] CALC-ricerca  about "RICERCA"
it is still same, in Sintassi we see:
RICERCA("Testo ricercato"; "Testo"; Posizione)
TrovaTesto è il testo da cercare.	(but before it is writed "Testo ricercato")
Testo è il testo da cui parte la ricerca.    (but you should say "è il testo dove ricercare"
Moreover, the example can be misleading: there is a blank before the number and  it gets ignored, but should it be a string (=RICERCA(54;" 998877665544") the result would be 11.
All that is identic in the html guide too.

12) attachment 132194 [details]  CALC-trova  about "TROVA"
same as said about "RICERCA"

13) attachment 132195 [details]  CALC-vero  about "VERO"
it is still same: we see "Restituisce il valore logico VERO. La funzione TRUE() non richiede ..." shoul be VERO().
Comment 31 Buovjaga 2018-11-28 19:04:31 UTC
I'll set to NEW, but gmarco, please work with the Italian localisation team.
Comment 32 gmarco 2018-11-28 21:17:20 UTC
(In reply to Buovjaga from comment #31)
> I'll set to NEW, but gmarco, please work with the Italian localisation team.

Really, it is a big old.
What do you mean with working with the Italian localisation team?

It is evident that in the help.libreoffice.org/.../it there are some imbalances that should be arranged according to logic.
Comment 33 Buovjaga 2018-11-28 22:23:27 UTC
(In reply to gmarco from comment #32)
> What do you mean with working with the Italian localisation team?

http://translations.documentfoundation.org/it/
Contact Valter Mura: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Valtermura
Comment 34 Julien Nabet 2019-02-09 16:53:01 UTC
I took the example of https://help.libreoffice.org/Calc/Mathematical_Functions/it#ARROTONDA.ECCESSO

I don't understand the exclamation paragraph (beginning with "If the spreadsheet is exported to MS Excel...") isn't translated whereas it is on Pootle, see
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/it/libo_help/translate/#search=always%20rounds%20away%20from%20zero&sfields=source,target,notes
(updated 1 year ago).
Comment 35 Buovjaga 2019-02-09 18:48:31 UTC
(In reply to Julien Nabet from comment #34)
> I took the example of
> https://help.libreoffice.org/Calc/Mathematical_Functions/it#ARROTONDA.ECCESSO
> 
> I don't understand the exclamation paragraph (beginning with "If the
> spreadsheet is exported to MS Excel...") isn't translated whereas it is on
> Pootle, see
> https://translations.documentfoundation.org/it/libo_help/translate/
> #search=always%20rounds%20away%20from%20zero&sfields=source,target,notes
> (updated 1 year ago).

The wikihelp has not been updated in a long time and will be going to the graveyard.

We should be looking at https://help.libreoffice.org/6.2/it/text/scalc/01/04060106.html?DbPAR=CALC#bm_id3152518
Comment 36 gmarco 2019-03-21 14:00:05 UTC
You may close this bug, all questions still unresolved have been joined in new bug 120976
Comment 37 Julien Nabet 2019-03-21 14:01:54 UTC
Thank you for your feedback.
Let's put this one to WFM then.
Comment 38 gmarco 2019-03-21 14:06:05 UTC
excuse me: not "new bug 120976" but old 106523
Comment 39 Julien Nabet 2019-03-21 14:09:25 UTC
I don't understand what you mean.
You're talking about tdf#120976 in comment 36
tdf#106523 and tdf#120976 in comment 38
and we're discussing right now in tdf#106803.

So 3 bugtrackers concerned.

Which bugtracker can be closed?
Comment 40 gmarco 2019-03-21 14:22:06 UTC
#106803 no more usefull, all questions in life on #106523

#120976 wrong reference

#106523 in life
Comment 41 Julien Nabet 2019-03-21 14:26:57 UTC
(In reply to gmarco from comment #40)
> #106803 no more usefull, all questions in life on #106523
> 
> #120976 wrong reference
> 
> #106523 in life

So if I understand you well, we can close only tdf#106803, are we ok with this?
Comment 42 gmarco 2019-03-21 14:54:14 UTC
YES, OK