Bug 118961 - customize the MENU (Form, Tables, and Styles)
Summary: customize the MENU (Form, Tables, and Styles)
Status: RESOLVED WONTFIX
Alias: None
Product: LibreOffice
Classification: Unclassified
Component: Writer (show other bugs)
Version:
(earliest affected)
6.0.5.2 release
Hardware: All All
: medium enhancement
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Reported: 2018-07-26 16:56 UTC by peter josvai
Modified: 2018-07-27 12:52 UTC (History)
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Description peter josvai 2018-07-26 16:56:22 UTC
Description:
hi, 

I just realized that I never use Forms and Tables, and I think it would be great if they could be dropped from the menu by some customization...


I think it makes a much grater difference if you only have to look over 9 menu items and not 11 ...  not to mention if there were only 8 ! :)
cause clearly, "Styles" is not necessary even when you work with styles continuously...

as a result, it would be much more compact, much fresher, much more intuitive...

people who use Writer for writing and not for office work, would very probably appreciate it.. I certainly would! :) 

Steps to Reproduce:
1. open LO Writer...
2. try to find something in the menu .. like footnotes
3.

Actual Results:
you have to go through 11 menus... dropping down each of them (virtually)

Expected Results:
you would have to go through only 8 of them... 


Reproducible: Always


User Profile Reset: No



Additional Info:
Comment 1 Roman Kuznetsov 2018-07-26 19:27:02 UTC
IMHO -> WONTFIX, because then user can delete all main menu

UX team, what do you think?
Comment 2 Regina Henschel 2018-07-26 20:28:34 UTC
The generating xml-file is \user\config\soffice.cfg\modules\swriter\menubar\menubar.xml for Writer, for example. It is editable, no UI needed. But that should only be done by experts.

I agree with kompilainenn -> WONTFIX. An access via UI is too dangerous for ordinary users.
Comment 3 Heiko Tietze 2018-07-27 07:30:11 UTC
Every user can configure the menu easily via Tools > Customize; it's one click to remove Forms. The introduction of Styles got a lot of positive feedback and maybe Forms will be your next best friend.

The actual issue is to quickly find a menu item. And there are proposals like in bug 91874. Many thanks for reporting anyway.
Comment 4 Regina Henschel 2018-07-27 11:31:27 UTC
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #3)
> Every user can configure the menu easily via Tools > Customize; it's one
> click to remove Forms.

I find no option in Tools > Customize to remove an entire menu. The options contain only "Add" and "Move". However that be, WONTFIX is OK.
Comment 5 peter josvai 2018-07-27 12:12:17 UTC
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #3)
> Every user can configure the menu easily via Tools > Customize; it's one
> click to remove Forms. The introduction of Styles got a lot of positive
> feedback and maybe Forms will be your next best friend.
> 
> The actual issue is to quickly find a menu item. And there are proposals
> like in bug 91874. Many thanks for reporting anyway.


I can't ... :) but thanks for your reply!
Comment 6 peter josvai 2018-07-27 12:35:07 UTC
PS:

perhaps two flavors of Writer could be available then ...
one for writing.. one for office businesses :) 

I understand, Heiko, that you got a lot of positive feedback from users after introducing Styles...

but numbers can sometimes be misleading... 
some type of users make a small group.. thousands only... while another types might be in the 100 000s...
so, if that type is affected, you'll get more positive fb than when another type... so, I think it is not the number that matters but the intuitive usability of the application...

If I could, I would turn it off, because I got used to manage styles in the old way.. which is PRETTY INTUITIVE, including a WYSIWYG display of the style!!! 
BUT Styles do make sense in terms of writing anyway :) :) NO DOUBT :) 

AN ALTERNATIVE perhaps:

how about using colors to group menus? or no grouping.. sorry..
just to give a color individually to menu titles?

than people could articulate the visual appearance of the BIG menu.. 
to make the use of Writer (even) more intuitive ...

OR / AND: 
using separators could be a great thing, too.. 
that would be grouping, that is: a great help :) 

I still hope that the quick overviewing of a menu (of 11) can be made easier in some way...


thanks for Writer!
Comment 7 Heiko Tietze 2018-07-27 12:52:23 UTC
You are right, the default menu entries are blocked; you can only delete menus that you added yourself (the +/- buttons right of the dropdown). But Regina's tip in comment 2 works.

Having alternative menus where you easily switch from menu structure A to B, ideally also with extensions, likewise the icon theme is a nice-to-have. And probably there is an open request somewhere. But we have Notebookbars for the different use scenarios including a variant without the main menu.