Bug 125275 - change default grid size to 25x25 mm = 1x1 zoll
Summary: change default grid size to 25x25 mm = 1x1 zoll
Status: NEW
Alias: None
Product: LibreOffice
Classification: Unclassified
Component: Draw (show other bugs)
Version:
(earliest affected)
4.0.2.2 release
Hardware: All All
: medium enhancement
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Blocks: Grid-Helplines
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Reported: 2019-05-14 07:55 UTC by andreas_k
Modified: 2019-05-23 20:59 UTC (History)
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Description andreas_k 2019-05-14 07:55:56 UTC
Description:
the current grid size in draw or everywhere else is 1x1 mm which is to small in addition that LibreOffice didn't have an dynamic grid size scaling AND LibO main task is not to design icons where everything can be importend to have it grid align.

As the default size in Draw, writer, ... is A4 (or similar) an 25 mm space is visible with the eyes when one rectangular is 25 mm away from another rectangular.

Actual Results:
1x1mm grid

Expected Results:
25x25mm grid


Reproducible: Always


User Profile Reset: No



Additional Info:
https://extensions.libreoffice.org/extensions/libresymbols

and symbols are ordinary very tiny but the drawer use also an 25x25mm grid and as 25mm is 1 zoll it fit's also to other measure convention.
Comment 1 andreas_k 2019-05-14 08:20:26 UTC
draw 1cm grid with 10 subdivisions
writer 1cm grid with 2 subdivisions

suggestion everywhere 1 cm grid with 4 subdivisions
Comment 2 andreas_k 2019-05-15 07:36:28 UTC
> Expected Results:
> 25x25mm grid

I mean 2.5 mm grid so 10 mm grid with 4 subdivisions.
Comment 3 Regina Henschel 2019-05-15 10:44:57 UTC
I have no strong opinion about it. I use 0.5cm with 5 spaces as default in Draw. If I need a grid in Impress, then I set it according my current task, the default 2cm is always too wide. I do not use a grid in Writer, but set positions via dialog.
Comment 4 Heiko Tietze 2019-05-23 12:35:46 UTC
Since the grid has a snap feature we shouldn't go with too high values. So I vote for Regina's proposal of 0.5cm resp. 0.2". For the subdevisions an even number allows to place objects exactly in the middle of the grid, so 4 seems reasonable here.

In general it's a lot of work since UI tests are likely affected. Maybe it's better to just keep the current values since the grid heavily depend on the actual task.
Comment 5 andreas_k 2019-05-23 12:45:49 UTC
than please make the UI tests. how should I draw predefined gallery shapes without the knowledge of the default grid.
Comment 6 Regina Henschel 2019-05-23 20:48:51 UTC
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #4)
> 
> In general it's a lot of work since UI tests are likely affected. Maybe it's
> better to just keep the current values since the grid heavily depend on the
> actual task.

I prefer not to change the current defaults, but to work on bug 78035 (and duplicate 78034) and bug 98820. The idea in these reports is, to have a grid setting per document, with access in page properties and side bar. This idea would include, that the user can define the grid in a document template. And a setting per document would make the grid stick to the set values and not be changed by global settings. The global settings would only be uses for new documents, which are not based on a document template.



(In reply to andreas_k from comment #5)
> than please make the UI tests. how should I draw predefined gallery shapes
> without the knowledge of the default grid.

I do not understand your objection. Predefined gallery shapes should be in vector format and will adapt to any grid. And raster images will likely fail either centimeter or inch based grid.
Comment 7 andreas_k 2019-05-23 20:59:22 UTC
> I do not understand your objection. Predefined gallery shapes should be in
> vector format and will adapt to any grid. And raster images will likely fail
> either centimeter or inch based grid.

you can make an graphic to an x times 0.5 cm size or whatever but the size has to fit with text and everything with an grid cause otherwise you draw shapes and you can't snap them. See link in c0.