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Bug 125876 - More centralized endnote/footnote settings
Summary: More centralized endnote/footnote settings
Status: NEW
Alias: None
Product: LibreOffice
Classification: Unclassified
Component: Writer (show other bugs)
Version:
(earliest affected)
6.4.0.0.alpha1+
Hardware: All All
: medium enhancement
Assignee: Not Assigned
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Whiteboard:
Keywords: needsUXEval
Depends on:
Blocks: Footnote-Endnote-Properties
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Reported: 2019-06-12 10:03 UTC by Telesto
Modified: 2019-06-13 14:25 UTC (History)
3 users (show)

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Screenshots dialogs (34.85 KB, application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.text)
2019-06-12 10:06 UTC, Telesto
Details

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Description Telesto 2019-06-12 10:03:57 UTC
Description:
There are multiple dialog related to endnotes/footnotes, scattered all around the place. 

1. Format → Page → Footnote tab
2. Insert → Footnote and Endnote -> Footnote or Endnote 
3. Right click context menu when clicking on footnote/endnote → Footnotes and endnotes

* I would integrate "Footnote or Endnote" dialog into Footnote/Endnote settings or something like that. The dialog doesn't add to much, IMHO. 
* Make the Footnote/Endnote settings dialog more accessible. Add it to Insert → Footnote and Endnote menu for example
* Add the Format → Page → Footnote tab to the Footnote/Endnote settings dialog

Steps to Reproduce:
1. Format → Page → Footnote tab
2. Insert → Footnote and Endnote -> Footnote or Endnote 
3. Right click context menu when clicking on footnote/endnote → Footnotes and endnotes

Actual Results:
Multiple dialogs

Expected Results:
More centralized settings


Reproducible: Always


User Profile Reset: No



Additional Info:
Version: 6.4.0.0.alpha0+ (x86)
Build ID: ac14e5613597e7361ce6995dacb1bb5bd55b6b00
CPU threads: 4; OS: Windows 6.3; UI render: default; VCL: win; 
TinderBox: Win-x86@42, Branch:master, Time: 2019-06-06_05:09:49
Locale: nl-NL (nl_NL); UI-Language: en-US
Calc: threaded
Comment 1 Telesto 2019-06-12 10:06:14 UTC
@Heiko
Any thoughts :-)
Comment 2 Telesto 2019-06-12 10:06:35 UTC
Created attachment 152129 [details]
Screenshots dialogs
Comment 3 Mike Kaganski 2019-06-12 10:31:39 UTC
(In reply to Telesto from comment #0)
> 3. Right click context menu when clicking on footnote/endnote → Footnotes

Tools->Footnotes and Endnotes
Comment 4 Telesto 2019-06-12 12:36:02 UTC
(In reply to Mike Kaganski from comment #3)
> (In reply to Telesto from comment #0)
> > 3. Right click context menu when clicking on footnote/endnote → Footnotes
> 
> Tools->Footnotes and Endnotes

Thanks for the addition.. Didn't know
Comment 5 Roman Kuznetsov 2019-06-12 15:29:25 UTC
there are Footnote/Endnote options in Insert->Section dialog also

and I fully against that at all.

We'll can't make only ONE dialog because it will touch many different subsystem (page layout, section options, footnote/endnote options, etc.)

-1 from me
Comment 6 Telesto 2019-06-12 15:50:32 UTC
(In reply to Roman Kuznetsov from comment #5)
> there are Footnote/Endnote options in Insert->Section dialog also
> 
> and I fully against that at all.

Lets rephrase; is it maybe possible toe optimize it a little in some way to make things a little more accessible. Heaving all these settings scattered/ hidden all over the place without being accessible from another is not all to self-explaining

For example: why can't the Footnote/Endnote settings also include the page setting tab? 

It's is only an push/incentive to take a look at it.. :-)
Comment 7 Dieter Praas 2019-06-12 18:26:57 UTC
(In reply to Roman Kuznetsov from comment #5)
> We'll can't make only ONE dialog because it will touch many different
> subsystem (page layout, section options, footnote/endnote options, etc.)

That's an ansewer from a technical perspective, but you also consider the users view. Here I agree that a normal user isn't aware of the different settings and possibilities with footnotes and endnotes. That's also my own experience.

If it is difficult to make only one dialog, I'd like to make a proposal for little changes, that might enhance the situation for the user

1. Add entry "Settings" or "Footnotes/Endnotes Settings" to Insert => Footnote and Endnote. This enry should open the Footnote/Endnote Setting dialog. Reasoning: A lot of users don't know how they change for example footnote styles or character style of a footnote.

2. Rename entry in Tools from "Footnotes and Endnotes" to "Footnotes/Endnotes settings". Reasoning: This is in line with the name of the dialog and it makes clear, that it is different from "Footnote and Endnote" in the Insert menu.

3. Context menu of footnote anchor:
a) Rename "Footnote or Endnote" to "Edit Footnote/Endnote". Reasoning: This is in line with the name of the dialog.
b) Add "Footnotes/Endnotes Settings" to the context menu. Reasoning: see 1.

4. Context menu of footnote area: Rename "Footnotes and Endnotes" to "Footnotes/Endnotes Settings". Resoning: see 1.

I think this changes would make it mor consistent and userfriendly.
Comment 8 Heiko Tietze 2019-06-13 12:19:06 UTC
(In reply to Telesto from comment #1)
> Any thoughts :-)

There is also the Navigator. I've added it to my todo list, Dieter had some good ideas.
Comment 9 Telesto 2019-06-13 14:25:44 UTC
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #8)
> (In reply to Telesto from comment #1)
> > Any thoughts :-)
> 
> There is also the Navigator. I've added it to my todo list, Dieter had some
> good ideas.

OK, nice.. 

If there will be a  "Settings" or "Footnotes/Endnotes Settings" entry, please consider the include menu item linking to the page -> footnote tab.. [similar to the header/footer menu -> Format header item]. I had a hard time finding that specific dialog.