Bug 132664 - The posts that I made here, also appear somewhere else?
Summary: The posts that I made here, also appear somewhere else?
Status: RESOLVED NOTABUG
Alias: None
Product: LibreOffice
Classification: Unclassified
Component: LibreOffice (show other bugs)
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unspecified
Hardware: All All
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Reported: 2020-05-04 00:48 UTC by Bart
Modified: 2020-05-05 02:29 UTC (History)
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Description Bart 2020-05-04 00:48:34 UTC
Description:
In the recent days I contributed to the next bug report:

  132552 – layout changed after reopen
  https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=132552

Today I noticed that this bug report can also be found here:

  Bug #1876292 “Error in layout from MS DOCX file, especially afte...”
  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1876292

I'm surprised that what I write here, also appears somewhere else. Is it supposed to appear there as well?

PS: I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask, but I don't know where else to ask this question.


Steps to Reproduce:
 (Visit both links that I provided.)

Actual Results:
The posts that I add here, also appear on another website.

Expected Results:
I had not thought that my posts would appear somewhere else.


Reproducible: Didn't try


User Profile Reset: No



Additional Info:
Comment 1 Ming Hua 2020-05-04 02:00:52 UTC
I think Launchpad just copys the comments of linked bugs over to its tracking system.

Since comments made here are considered to be licensed under CC-BY-SA (see the legal stuff at the end of this page), and Launchpad gives links to the original bug it copied from, I think they did everything by the book and there is nothing to worry about.
Comment 2 Bart 2020-05-05 00:37:22 UTC
(In reply to Ming Hua from comment #1)
> Since comments made here are considered to be licensed under CC-BY-SA (see
> the legal stuff at the end of this page), and Launchpad gives links to the
> original bug it copied from, I think they did everything by the book and
> there is nothing to worry about.
Thank you for chiming in, I checked a few things and this is what I found:

https://creativecommons.org/faq/#who-gives-permission-to-use-material-offered-under-creative-commons-licenses :

"Our licenses and legal tools are intended for use by anyone who holds copyright in the material. This is often, but not always, the creator."

I'm the creator of my posts, and I haven't granted licenses under CC-BY-SA to anyone. Ubuntu's Launchpad cannot use my work as they please.

  I also found the following:

https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/ :

"If you remix, transform, or build upon the material, you must distribute your contributions under the same license as the original."

This means that Ubuntu's Launchpad had to add something like:
   "This information was released under CC-BY-SA"

Instead, at the bottom of that page I find:
   "© 2004-2020 Canonical Ltd". 


Actually, I'm not interested in the legal aspects of this topic. I'm more interested in the reasonable aspects of this topic.

I have a lot of appreciation for all the people here who put their time and effort in creating and improving LibreOffice. 

Recently I participated in 26 bug reports. I installed several LibreOffice versions, I checked bugs under Windows and Linux/Debian, I made numerous screen copies, etc. etc. It's a lot of work and that's okay.

If however, the result of my blood, sweat and tears is that my work can be copied by anyone who likes to copy it, then my motivation is gone.
Comment 3 Ming Hua 2020-05-05 01:37:01 UTC
Hi bart-dn,

I'm not a lawyer, just a layman interested in open source copyright and licensing stuff, so feel free to ignore my opinion.

(In reply to bart-dn from comment #2)
> (In reply to Ming Hua from comment #1)
> > Since comments made here are considered to be licensed under CC-BY-SA (see
> > the legal stuff at the end of this page), and Launchpad gives links to the
> > original bug it copied from, I think they did everything by the book and
> > there is nothing to worry about.
>
> Thank you for chiming in, I checked a few things and this is what I found:
> 
> https://creativecommons.org/faq/#who-gives-permission-to-use-material-
> offered-under-creative-commons-licenses :
> 
> "Our licenses and legal tools are intended for use by anyone who holds
> copyright in the material. This is often, but not always, the creator."
> 
> I'm the creator of my posts, and I haven't granted licenses under CC-BY-SA
> to anyone. Ubuntu's Launchpad cannot use my work as they please.
Like I said, at the bottom of each Bugzilla page (including this one), there is

"Copyright information: Please note that all contributions to The Document Foundation Bugzilla are considered to be released under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License, unless otherwise specified."

So saying you haven't granted licenses to anyone doesn't make it so.

>   I also found the following:
> 
> https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/ :
> 
> "If you remix, transform, or build upon the material, you must distribute
> your contributions under the same license as the original."
> 
> This means that Ubuntu's Launchpad had to add something like:
>    "This information was released under CC-BY-SA"
> 
> Instead, at the bottom of that page I find:
>    "© 2004-2020 Canonical Ltd". 
Copyright and licensing are two separate issues.  For the licensing of Launchpad's bug tracker, there is this:

"All bug comments are the property of the people who created them. Metadata and statistics generated by the Launchpad Bug Tracker are the property of Canonical Ltd and may be used freely for any purpose as long as accreditation and the Launchpad URL are given along with that data."

from https://help.launchpad.net/Legal, which sounds close enough to BY-SA to me.

> Actually, I'm not interested in the legal aspects of this topic. I'm more
> interested in the reasonable aspects of this topic.
The problem is, here on LibreOffice Bugzilla there's nothing we can do or want to do unless there is a legal issue.  The reasonable-ness issue is probably best raised in Ubuntu/Launchpad channels.

Just my two cents.
Comment 4 Bart 2020-05-05 01:47:21 UTC
Hi Ming,

Thanks again for chiming in, I appreciate it.

I actually have an Associate Law degree. I always read Terms and Conditions and I had expected that someone would refer to:

   Please note that all contributions to The Document
   Foundation Bugzilla are *considered* to be released under ...

To be *considered* is an assumption, it is not something I agreed to.

I'm happy that you found the licensing of Launchpad's bug tracker:
   "All bug comments are the property of the people who created them."
because that confirms what I wrote.

Thank you again for your contribution. I think that debate is always good.

Would you know how I cancel my account here? (I can't find it.)
Comment 5 Ming Hua 2020-05-05 02:05:11 UTC
(In reply to bart-dn from comment #4)
> Would you know how I cancel my account here? (I can't find it.)
I don't know either.

According to https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=700058, a user account in Bugzilla can't be deleted by the user.
Comment 6 Bart 2020-05-05 02:21:43 UTC
In that thread they suggested this:

  "What we can do is to change your login information to a 
   bogus address and then disable it from being used further."

I did just something that's pretty close. I changed my email address to an alias. I'll disable that alias after this post. If you write again, I won't see it.

Best of luck with everything in your life!