Bug 138061 - UI: Make tip of the day less dominant
Summary: UI: Make tip of the day less dominant
Status: UNCONFIRMED
Alias: None
Product: LibreOffice
Classification: Unclassified
Component: LibreOffice (show other bugs)
Version:
(earliest affected)
7.1.0.0.alpha0+
Hardware: All All
: medium enhancement
Assignee: Not Assigned
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Blocks: Tip-Of-The-Day
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Reported: 2020-11-08 07:42 UTC by Telesto
Modified: 2020-11-19 13:19 UTC (History)
2 users (show)

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Description Telesto 2020-11-08 07:42:48 UTC
Description:
UI: Make they tip of they day less dominant.

Tip of they opens on first launch. Mostly you're starting LibreOffice because you are opening a file you want to look at or wanting to do copy/paste or write something.

They tip of they day shows up at impossible times. Interrupting workflow etc. So they checkbox don't show again is an obvious choice to get rid of they thing

However thats not they idea behind tip of the day. I even get long to clippy

Steps to Reproduce:
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Actual Results:
Annoying dominant, irritating, popup showing up at impossible times. I might want to read it, but not now.

Expected Results:
Still search for a format being less intrusive and useful. (a) Info tooltip or (b) sidebar panel tab get initial focus at first launch at a certain day. They latter not reaching people without sidebar


Reproducible: Always


User Profile Reset: No



Additional Info:
Version: 7.1.0.0.alpha1+
Build ID: c784b3da15102caf1022e83371863a86766e69cd
CPU threads: 4; OS: Mac OS X 10.12.6; UI render: default; VCL: osx
Locale: nl-NL (nl_NL.UTF-8); UI: en-US
Calc: threaded
Comment 1 Kevin Suo 2020-11-08 12:10:04 UTC
Change importance to Enhancement Request.
Comment 2 Heiko Tietze 2020-11-09 07:33:26 UTC
Clear -1 from my side.
Comment 3 Adolfo Jayme Barrientos 2020-11-09 17:30:04 UTC
For me, these would be two ideal fixes for this bug; in order of preference:

• The Tip of the Day dialog should be shown automatically only the first time you start LibreOffice (i.e., with a new profile). To achieve this, the “Show tips on startup” checkbox should be disabled by default, so that, by requiring no action from the user, the dialog will not be shown on the next startup. This will make LibreOffice behave exactly like GIMP does¹, but allowing for a better discovery of the tips.

[1] GIMP has disabled the Tip of the Day dialog as well since version 2.6, because users found it annoying. https://docs.gimp.org/2.10/en/gimp-tips-dialog.html

• The dialog is turned into an infobar. This would be a less disruptive presentation, but it has the disadvantage of not allowing to display useful pictures with each tip.
Comment 4 Telesto 2020-11-09 18:31:50 UTC
(In reply to Adolfo Jayme from comment #3)
> For me, these would be two ideal fixes for this bug; in order of preference:
> 
> • The Tip of the Day dialog should be shown automatically only the first
> time you start LibreOffice (i.e., with a new profile). To achieve this, the
> “Show tips on startup” checkbox should be disabled by default, so that, by
> requiring no action from the user, the dialog will not be shown on the next
> startup. This will make LibreOffice behave exactly like GIMP does¹, but
> allowing for a better discovery of the tips.
> 
> [1] GIMP has disabled the Tip of the Day dialog as well since version 2.6,
> because users found it annoying.
> https://docs.gimp.org/2.10/en/gimp-tips-dialog.html

Sounds like nice comprise :P
Comment 5 V Stuart Foote 2020-11-09 18:43:14 UTC
TotD check-box toggle is prominently placed on Tools -> Options -> General tab. Not burried in Expert Configuration. Enabled by default.

'Eve' users will set the toggle off early in their usage. "Benjamin" users, who these tips are targeting, benefit by having it enabled by default.  Once they become 'Eve' users--they can choose to configure as preferred. Maybe a TotD item letting them know as much.

Otherwise, I'm fine with the Tip-of-the-Day dialog and continued enabled by default (I don't think moving TotD to the Infobar would be helpful for the targeted "Benjamin" users).

-1
Comment 6 Telesto 2020-11-09 19:05:13 UTC
(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #5)
Hmm, we are indeed floating of my initial topic. They point was actually more that sometimes they dialog popups up at unwanted moments. Even for Benjamins.

Or that it popup occurs at not ideal moment. So you're actually interested, but not now (should be bug about this in tip of they day meta).

And after two or three times being annoyed by they ToTD you click don't show again simply because you want to get rid of they dialog. You're not disliking they content but they timing of they popup (not now).

I already that annoyed (but biased) that I click that thing away at the first instance (after profile reset). So I even miss out they configure your Interface Tip. 

This likely works for people totally new to LibreOffice but not sure about they rest of they user base. Some probably read all those tips. Others are annoyed but tips. Or not interest in they topics handled. So all sorts of avoidance kicking in.

But that's my personal opinion/experience
Comment 7 Heiko Tietze 2020-11-19 13:19:12 UTC
No further input received, removing needsUX.