Description: UI: Add animation workflow kind of curious Steps to Reproduce: 1. Open Impress (ignore wizard) 2. Sidebar -> Animation Tab 3. Click the text frame. 4. Click + sign -> You need to add the animation first: you can't choose first 5. Click the same frame again 6. If you want to add new animation you need to '+' before. If you're in pre-configure mode you actually change the existing animation. Actual Results: You need to add the animation first: you can't choose first Expected Results: In Powerpoint you can add/remove an effect but not change the type of effect after insertion in the list. Which being one way the work around this Reproducible: Always User Profile Reset: No Additional Info: Version: 7.3.0.0.alpha0+ (x64) / LibreOffice Community Build ID: 93115d2c54d645bcf2f80fde325e3ede39dee4d5 CPU threads: 4; OS: Windows 6.3 Build 9600; UI render: Skia/Raster; VCL: win Locale: en-US (nl_NL); UI: en-US Calc: CL
I see no issue in clicking Add before picking the attributes. But anyway, this topic is discussed so often that we likely have duplicates. I remember a discussion where we pondered over moving the controls to the bottom (cannot find). => resolving NAB (it is clearly not a bug)
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #1) > I see no issue in clicking Add before picking the attributes. But anyway, > this topic is discussed so often that we likely have duplicates. I remember > a discussion where we pondered over moving the controls to the bottom > (cannot find). => resolving NAB (it is clearly not a bug) It's indeed (implicitly) covered by bug 151377
*** Bug 154127 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #1) > I see no issue in clicking Add before picking the attributes. Coming from the dupe, I'll say: Picking specific attributes, fair enough - but picking the kind of effect - I definitely expect to choosen that before adding the effect - I don't want to add an effect I'm not interested. Even the effect _category_ can't be selected, i.e. one needs to add an Entrance effect even if one wants to make the object go away. This is surprising, frustrating and not necessary. It is also inconsistent with, for example, the draw toolbar, where you choose the kind of drawing object before actually drawing it; the tabs dialog where you choose the kind of tab before placing it; etc.
No use case, no issue. Surprising and frustrating is an overstatement and never merits the effort to start from scratch. And the OP agreed with the proposed solution, call it workaround if you like.
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #5) > No use case, no issue. Surprising and frustrating is an overstatement and > never merits the effort to start from scratch. And the OP agreed with the > proposed solution, call it workaround if you like. FWIW: I do agree Eyal's view and argument. I struggle with exactly the same thing :-). And I surely find the PowerPoint implementation at bug 151377 comment 12 more natural compared to the current implementation.
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #5) > No use case, no issue. I think perhaps you're referring to another bug? This is not a feature request. We are forcing users to do something they don't want, in order to then achieve something they do want. It is as though in order to draw a circle, you had to add draw a square, then change its shape in some properties menu. ... and actually, even worse, because if you have auto-preview enabled, you will also be treated to the animated sequence showing you exactly what you don't want to happen :-P > never merits the effort to start from scratch. I didn't suggest starting anything from scratch. I just want to be able to make a selection in the effect type list-box before adding the effect. There could of course be other UI changes to the animations sidebar, but this bug is not about that. I'll also clarify that, unlike Telesto, I'm not suggesting we remove the possibility of changing the effect type after addition - just that we allow it before addition. > And the OP agreed with the > proposed solution, call it workaround if you like. If you want to cancel the dupe relation to the bug I filed, we can continue the discussion there...
Hello, It's been a while since this issue was reported. Could you please try to reproduce it with the latest version of LibreOffice from https://www.libreoffice.org/download/libreoffice-fresh/ ? I have set the bug's status to 'NEEDINFO'. Please change it back to 'UNCONFIRMED' if the bug is still present in the latest version.
(In reply to Xisco Faulí from comment #8) Hi Xisco, Nothing has changed in the Animation sidebar UI to effect this bug - it's still here with 25.2 and 25.8 . Maybe we can discuss this in a design meeting?
(In reply to Eyal Rozenberg from comment #9) > Maybe we can discuss this in a design meeting? Feels to me talked out. If we _add a category_ (which is the consequence of picking the category first and clicking add then) you wont be able to change the type of animation. Meaning, in order to switch from entrance to exit you have to delete the animation and start over. I doubt this will be widely accepted - and all for what? To align with a bad workflow in Powerpoint. My take is NAB/WF.
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #10) > (In reply to Eyal Rozenberg from comment #9) > > Maybe we can discuss this in a design meeting? > Feels to me talked out. If we _add a category_ (which is the consequence of > picking the category first and clicking add then) you wont be able to change > the type of animation. Meaning, in order to switch from entrance to exit you > have to delete the animation and start over. I doubt this will be widely > accepted - and all for what? To align with a bad workflow in Powerpoint. My > take is NAB/WF. The problem is at comment 7. How to fix it not limited to the expected result at comment 0. Can be a fresh bug, if the current one being too misleading
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #10) I want to pick an animation effect, and by doing so, add it. Category or no Category. Right now I have to add an effect I don't want. That can't be right; and it's just the details of the fix which need ironing out. > If we _add a category_ ... you wont be able to change the type of animation. 1. Suppose that's true. Well, so what? I can remove an effect I don't like, and add an effect I do like. Just like I can put a rhombus object on my slide, and if I later decide I want a round disc - I delete the rhombus and add the disc. 2. Why should I not be able to change an effect's category after adding it? That's a choice we can choose to make, or not to make. > in order to switch from entrance to exit you > have to delete the animation and start over. ... but I'm starting over anyway when I change the effect type. Although, see point (2.) above. > and all for what? To align with a bad workflow in Powerpoint. Absolutely not the reason. The reasons are both preventing the user from having to do something they don't want to, which may already be sufficient; and for making it possible to consider different animation effects - by name at least if not more than that - before choosing one. I don't care about whether we align with the MS-Powerpoint workflow.
We discussed the topic in the design meeting. While there is sympathy to other workflows the current solution makes sense to most users. Recommendation, although not unanimously, is to not put effort in this proposal. For a previous discussion around the animation tab UX see https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2021/msg00102.html
Telesto, it was a 3-to-1 vote. Putting different emphasis on what change is requested, and getting more buy-in from complaining users, might result in a different decision. AFAIC, what I want to see is the Add button opening up a "drop-aside-dialog" with available effects, like in PowerPoint.