Description: UI: A button to expand the animation picker dialog to dedicated dialog Steps to Reproduce: 1. Open Impress 2. Select a textbox 3. Sidebar -> Animation tab 4. Click + icon Actual Results: A long list of entry's (lots of scrolling) Expected Results: The old impress had 'basic' list of animations + More effects category opening dedicated dialog (see screenshot) Maybe something which is still applicable? Reproducible: Always User Profile Reset: No Additional Info: Version: 7.3.0.0.alpha0+ (x64) / LibreOffice Community Build ID: 93115d2c54d645bcf2f80fde325e3ede39dee4d5 CPU threads: 4; OS: Windows 6.3 Build 9600; UI render: Skia/Raster; VCL: win Locale: en-US (nl_NL); UI: en-US Calc: CL
Created attachment 175618 [details] Screenshot Powerpoint
Don't like the idea. The dialog would just rearrange the controls, maybe provide a better overview of the effects but nothing beyond. The idea of the sidebar is to quickly access the most frequently used attributes while the full power of LibreOffice is presented in dialogs. So I'd rather think about simplifying the sidebar - could be done if we have "animation styles" (a template/preset to all settings) and show only these and limited to the last n used.
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #2) > Don't like the idea. The dialog would just rearrange the controls, maybe > provide a better overview of the effects but nothing beyond. The idea of the > sidebar is to quickly access the most frequently used attributes while the > full power of LibreOffice is presented in dialogs. So I'd rather think about > simplifying the sidebar - could be done if we have "animation styles" (a > template/preset to all settings) and show only these and limited to the last > n used. No objection against any other approach. My struggle is the scrolling list with lost of entry's & relative small window ;-). If you for whatever often use something of the bottom, you need to scroll scroll scroll baby. And selecting a category in advance makes it even harder, maybe you're searching for something specific (and a contrary to the category it put into?) [I'm personally that lazy that I simply take the first entry's of the animation list after going through that list 10 times. Maybe this a good; the others animations not supposed to be used as it seen as bad slide design?]
Created attachment 185897 [details] Screenshot from office.com In the latest MSO it has a huge dropdown.
Isn't it the case that we don't have any other place to set animation style from, other than sidebar? I would say that a better notebookbar would the solution to it.
Commenting on the design meeting minutes: > icons may help, even in the current form, in sidebar (Hossein) Icons may help somewhat - but IMHO _not much_ in the current form of the animation picker, because it's already dense, and the icons would be super small. You need large icons for them to be at all meaningful. Looking at the "Screenshot Powerpoint" attachment - I get _very little_ from the icons. But why did I say "not much" rather than "not at all"? Because small icons could provide a categorization, orthogonal to the main categorization (Basic/Special/Exciting/Moderate). > dedicated dialog needed for notebookbar-only variants (Sahil) Disagree. That is, we need something more expansive for effect selection than what's on the sidebar, and the question of whether we're using menus or tabs is immaterial. (It _is_ material to what kind of UI we actually want to have, but not to the fact that it's necessary.) > on the long run we should add some styles-like widget for animations as known from MSO (Hossein) You mean, like in the second attachment made by buovjaga? I indeed like that more than a completely separate dialog. But why only in the long run? Why not the short run? Also - would you "anchor" this to the menus, or perhaps - to the sidebar? i.e. have a "expand-sideways" menubutton-like widget?
(In reply to Eyal Rozenberg from comment #6) > > dedicated dialog needed for notebookbar-only variants (Sahil) > > Disagree. That is, we need something more expansive for effect selection > than what's on the sidebar. Sidebar is like a knife, for quick and dirty work. It might kill a rat or 2, but doesn't mean that it can replace a machine gun. Also the "it's fine on the sidebar" argument shouldn't shadow the fact that our ribbons are way *inferior* to what others have to offer. The notebookbar is not extensible, unfinished i would say. For the normal ribbon, I often find myself hunting for some option, reading tooltips. I would still press on having a separate dialog for non-tabbed interfaces, and some notebookbar widget (like MSOs one) for the tabbed interface.
We discussed the topic in the design meeting. Icons may help, even if just very little, but wont solve the situation. A quick and dirty solution might be some kind of icon view instead of the list similar to the transition deck. On the long run we need some widget or dialog that is usable for the Notebookbar variants too. I recommend to change the summary - the "button to turn the deck into a dialog" is not appropriate to solve the issue of too much scrolling in the list.