Description: On the "envprinterpage" dialog, there are options called "Print from top" and "Print from bottom". The related extended tips are "Feeds the envelope with the print side face up in the printer tray." and "Feeds the envelope with the print side face down in the printer tray.", respectively. "From top" would usually mean "starting from the uppermost part" while "from bottom" would usually mean "starting from the lowermost part". Using "from top" and "from bottom" to mean choosing the front side or the back side of an envelope is somewhat confusing. Steps to Reproduce: 1. See https://translations.documentfoundation.org/translate/libo_ui-master/swmessages/en/?checksum=9abc4daaafbb87c9 and https://translations.documentfoundation.org/translate/libo_ui-master/swmessages/en/?checksum=86fd794507d09b5b Actual Results: The expressions "from top" and "from bottom" are used in an unconventional/confusing way. Expected Results: More descriptive language is used. Reproducible: Always User Profile Reset: No Additional Info: n/a
UX-team, we need your advice here
(In reply to Tuomas Hietala from comment #0) > ... > "From top" would usually mean "starting from the uppermost part" while > "from bottom" would usually mean "starting from the lowermost part". Using > "from top" and "from bottom" to mean choosing the front side or the back > side of an envelope is somewhat confusing. > ... Beleive it has nothing to do with the front or the back of the envelope, rather is dependent on the stacking and feed of envelopes of any particular printer (something LO will not have any sense of). It is the path that a properly loaded envelope takes through the feed (from printer's tray or feeder). It will always print on the front of the envelope unless you don't load it correctly and invert the stack from the direction indicated on the printer. You'll see similar "guides" on the document feeders for MFP and copiers with scanners as to which direction to load. This is what you have to do with LO to orient the address onto the envelop as the top left of the envelope shifts with from top or from bottom feed.
Created attachment 186874 [details] Screenshot The envprinterpage dialog can be reached per Insert > Envelope... under the tab Printer. It has some (potentially) nice illustration what "Print from top" vs "Print from bottom" means. Wouldn't it be better to improve this rather than using the bulky "Starting from the uppermost part", which is not more clear to me?
Rizal, what do you think? (Besides the icons, some ordinary tooltips would be beneficial.)
(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #2) > Beleive it has nothing to do with the front or the back of the envelope, > rather is dependent on the stacking and feed of envelopes of any particular > printer (something LO will not have any sense of). It is the path that a > properly loaded envelope takes through the feed (from printer's tray or > feeder). > > It will always print on the front of the envelope unless you don't load it > correctly and invert the stack from the direction indicated on the printer. > > You'll see similar "guides" on the document feeders for MFP and copiers with > scanners as to which direction to load. > > This is what you have to do with LO to orient the address onto the envelop > as the top left of the envelope shifts with from top or from bottom feed. Thanks for the explanation, it seems I misunderstood. If "Print from top" and "Print from bottom" are commonly used in printers I guess they're good enough for LO too. In that case the icons are misleading, though, because if you select "Print from bottom", it looks like the back side of the envelope will be printed on. Also, aren't the extended somewhat misleading, too? If I understood correctly, isn't it the user who manually feeds the envelopes front side either up or down and then must select the appropriate option in LO? The extended tips make it sound like selecting the option in LO will flip the envelopes around in the printer.
No reply from the master of icons. Function works as expected, documentation is more or less clear, icons convey the front/back topic... => NAB
I'm sorry I can't comment much on the icon, if I see only the icons itself I catch that print from bottom means to print the back of the envelope. Is this as expected or not? I need to make sure by printing to the original printer, unfortunately this can't be done because I don't have any printer. But back to the question, is printing on the back a normal thing?
(In reply to Rizal Muttaqin from comment #7) > But back to the question, is printing on the back a normal thing? Depends on the printer, and I think the icons are okay (at least for KJ).