Currently, help pages for dialogs provide instructions on how to get to the dialog using either (i) the menubar or (ii) the standard toolbar, or (iii) by using accelerators when they exist. However, we still have no instructions on how to get to these dialogs using the Tabbed UI. For instance, here's the help page for the "Insert Table" dialog (this is just as an example; this ticket refers to all help pages about dialogs). https://help.libreoffice.org/7.5/en-US/text/swriter/01/04150000.html In this page we have a "To access this command... " section that contains: (menubar instructions) Choose Table - Insert Table (accelerator instructions) Ctrl+F12 (standard toolbar instructions) Open Insert toolbar, click However, we do not have any Tabbed UI instructions, which in this case should be: In the Insert tab, select Table - More Options Given the popularity of the Tabbed UI and the emphasis it receives in the View - User Interface dialog (it stays together with the Standard Toolbar option in a separate section), I believe we should start improving the Help pages by providing instructions also considering the Tabbed UI.
Created attachment 187479 [details] First mockup. Please comment
(In reply to Olivier Hallot from comment #1) > First mockup. Please comment This is looking really good and clean. The only thing I would change is: "From the Tab interface" -> "From the Tabbed interface" The name used in the UI is "Tabbed interface". Se f.i. in View - User interface.
I would personally say yes to this request for usability purposes, a prompt to ensure that the Tabbed UI is not a "second class" UI in LibreOffice and considered for documentation is clearly beneficial for those that use this type of UI. This would ensure that thought is given to both UI interfaces. However, I can understand that some will question this on the basis that the current UI is the default. This is correct of course but not an ideal situation where it is the only UI that is given consideration for documentation.
I don't object to instructions for locating things on the Tabbed UI to be part of the help pages; but - certainly not as the default. Please see the (long) discussion in bug 135501 about that. Also, recalling that the Tabbed UI has numerous outstanding issues, it does not make sense to promote its use more than the use of, say, toolbars. So, the order of items IMO should be: * menus * toolbars * tabbed UI * keyboard shortcut or * menus * toolbars * keyboard shortcut * tabbed UI Also, (In reply to John Mills from comment #3) > I would personally say yes to this request for usability purposes, a prompt > to ensure that the Tabbed UI is not a "second class" UI in LibreOffice But it is a second-class UI, in two senses: It is inferior usability-wise, even when fully implemented; and it is currently not fully/properly implemented relative to the menus and toolbars. (Like how it is completely unusable for RTL language speakers who need Calc.) > and > considered for documentation is clearly beneficial for those that use this > type of UI. This would ensure that thought is given to both UI interfaces. This I agree with. > This is correct of course but not an ideal > situation where it is the only UI that is given consideration for > documentation. The ideal situation is when tabbed UI is relegated to an extension and removed from the main codebase. It's only because of MSO's poor UI choice that supporting it to this level has any legitimacy, as far as I am concerned.
Olivier Hallot committed a patch related to this issue. It has been pushed to "master": https://git.libreoffice.org/help/commit/c26935e97327fd87907d41dd07f60bdf71ef8067 tdf#154996 Tabbed Interface command in Help pages
Olivier Hallot committed a patch related to this issue. It has been pushed to "master": https://git.libreoffice.org/help/commit/31fe3777cb0dc69a3badc026f4de55c096af48d9 tdf#154996 Add tabbed UI commands in Help page
Olivier Hallot committed a patch related to this issue. It has been pushed to "master": https://git.libreoffice.org/help/commit/bb49f8d719951c9a1dcef0953e8b213def056f21 tdf#154996 Review Common File menu entries
Olivier Hallot committed a patch related to this issue. It has been pushed to "master": https://git.libreoffice.org/help/commit/f527d4cfc5f65bb6fec477f540da3794e9fa744d tdf#154996 Add tabbed UI commands in Help page
Olivier Hallot committed a patch related to this issue. It has been pushed to "master": https://git.libreoffice.org/help/commit/921da60c0a7bf06943277d27dad3e10b19d7d5bd tdf#154996 Add tabbed UI commands in Help page
Olivier Hallot committed a patch related to this issue. It has been pushed to "master": https://git.libreoffice.org/help/commit/3ffbf68223b981335abdfede5dc5f86c30269c13 tdf#154996 Add tabbed UI commands in Help page
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Olivier Hallot committed a patch related to this issue. It has been pushed to "master": https://git.libreoffice.org/help/commit/269d7afe0492c2e438c328de95de3ed445809260 tdf#154996 Add tabbed UI commands in Help page
Olivier Hallot committed a patch related to this issue. It has been pushed to "master": https://git.libreoffice.org/help/commit/0aef8c7bd50b6f82a196358584fabc91ebd64795 tdf#154996 Add tabbed UI commands in Help page
Olivier Hallot committed a patch related to this issue. It has been pushed to "master": https://git.libreoffice.org/help/commit/c366e74f9df3dec75df5b6bb21297166599fbf1b tdf#154996 Add tabbed UI commands in Help page
Olivier Hallot committed a patch related to this issue. It has been pushed to "master": https://git.libreoffice.org/help/commit/b831f1f137d7bc003204a1245a3d7c33fb4da683 tdf#154996 Add tabbed UI commands in Help page
Olivier Hallot committed a patch related to this issue. It has been pushed to "master": https://git.libreoffice.org/help/commit/374b792c275fbfb5fad9d12764fecde6d1d5aaaa tdf#154996 Add tabbed UI commands in Help page
Olivier Hallot committed a patch related to this issue. It has been pushed to "master": https://git.libreoffice.org/help/commit/367807066f4e2a1190fe056fd6e52026fd35e2a6 tdf#154996 Add tabbed UI commands in Help page
Olivier Hallot committed a patch related to this issue. It has been pushed to "master": https://git.libreoffice.org/help/commit/97ed4a4faa26d89ee068b12efed26c99caf1ce86 tdf#154996 Add tabbed UI commands in Help page
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Olivier Hallot committed a patch related to this issue. It has been pushed to "libreoffice-7-6": https://git.libreoffice.org/help/commit/bbe57efb79dc4a69d5b48d42a54f54e4f15500b9 tdf#154996 Add tabbed UI commands in Help page
Olivier Hallot committed a patch related to this issue. It has been pushed to "master": https://git.libreoffice.org/help/commit/e09f381a645a2731e38bfff4a573ee25ccd488b7 tdf#154996 Update tools - macro UI help pages
Olivier Hallot committed a patch related to this issue. It has been pushed to "master": https://git.libreoffice.org/help/commit/e6eb23afa043ab16e61cd6dda010f631d5380e3b tdf#154996 Update tools - remaining help pages