Bug 157081 - Tabs in Ruler not showing correctly
Summary: Tabs in Ruler not showing correctly
Status: NEW
Alias: None
Product: LibreOffice
Classification: Unclassified
Component: Writer (show other bugs)
Version:
(earliest affected)
Inherited From OOo
Hardware: All Linux (All)
: low minor
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Blocks: Rulers
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Reported: 2023-09-04 08:45 UTC by Elmar
Modified: 2023-09-14 06:23 UTC (History)
2 users (show)

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new document (10.48 KB, image/png)
2023-09-04 09:16 UTC, Elmar
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updated document (56.34 KB, image/png)
2023-09-04 09:17 UTC, Elmar
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Ruler with center tab and default tab (971 bytes, image/png)
2023-09-05 06:33 UTC, Heiko Tietze
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Description Elmar 2023-09-04 08:45:03 UTC
Description:
Tabs seem to be hard-coded as "centre", even though default (Format/Paragraph/Tabs) is Left

Steps to Reproduce:
1.open new document
2.
3.

Actual Results:
stays centre

Expected Results:
to reflect paragraph settings


Reproducible: Always


User Profile Reset: No

Additional Info:
[Information automatically included from LibreOffice]
Locale: en-GB
Module: TextDocument
[Information guessed from browser]
OS: Linux (All)
OS is 64bit: yes

Version: 7.6.2.0.0+ (X86_64) / LibreOffice Community
Build ID: aeea6aac5683bcbafca0dcd474319bf1b9bd70f7
CPU threads: 8; OS: Linux 5.15; UI render: default; VCL: gtk3
Locale: en-GB (en_GB.UTF-8); UI: en-GB
Calc: threaded
Comment 1 Elmar 2023-09-04 09:16:54 UTC
Created attachment 189330 [details]
new document
Comment 2 Elmar 2023-09-04 09:17:29 UTC
Created attachment 189331 [details]
updated document
Comment 3 Stéphane Guillou (stragu) 2023-09-04 14:04:26 UTC
The default marker (when no discrete tab stops have been defined) is the smaller inverted T ("up tack"). Once you define discrete tab stops at various positions with various Types, you will see bigger markers used instead, which allows us to tell them apart.
This was the same in OOo 3.3.
I don't think it's possible to change the default tab type for the whole document / the whole of Writer, there is no option in Tools > Options > LibreOffice Writer > General.

If the default, small up tack marker is changed to reflect the default left Type, we'd have to make sure it also works for when using complex text layout like RTL (automatically changed to right Type).
UX/Design team, what do you think?
Comment 4 Heiko Tietze 2023-09-05 06:33:40 UTC
Created attachment 189357 [details]
Ruler with center tab and default tab

(In reply to Stéphane Guillou (stragu) from comment #3)
> The default marker (when no discrete tab stops have been defined) is the
> smaller inverted T ("up tack").
The screenshot illustrates the situation.

> I don't think it's possible to change the default tab type...
Different question but possible per default template.

> If the default, small up tack marker is changed to reflect the default left
> Type, we'd have to make sure it also works for when using complex text
> layout like RTL (automatically changed to right Type).
The 'up tack' marker should probably not get mixed up with the 'tab' marker. The latter tab stop as inserted via paragraph attribute defines where the tab ends (and how the text flows at this stop) while the first shows the position where every single tab character ends up.

We could change the up tack into a vertical ruler, for example. But I like the current design (and if we follow MSO and introduce a bar tab stop this would be wrong anyway). And RTL/LTR definitely needs to be considered.

MSO does not show any symbol for the default tab stop.
Comment 5 Stéphane Guillou (stragu) 2023-09-05 08:00:42 UTC
I guess I don't understand Eimar's request. Is it:

1) replace the default, smaller up tacks that denote default tab starts with a left marker of same size, so it better shows what kind the default it is; or
2) some other issue with custom tab stops created in Format > Paragraph > Tabs not showing the correct larger marker?
Comment 6 Heiko Tietze 2023-09-14 06:23:00 UTC
We discussed the topic in the design meeting.

It's a minor issue since the automatic tab stop indicator are tiny and not shown at all under Windows (likewise MSO does). However we agreed that a proper angle pointing left- or right wards depending on the text flow removes potential confusion.