Description: Linux and Windows provide solutions to make the text cursor in writer thicker. This feature is essential for people with vision impairment. In Linux, you can edit the file ~/.config/gtk-3.0/gtk.css and insert the following line: * { -GtkWidget-cursor-aspect-ratio: 0.2; } For me, a value like 0.2 works fine. You can play around with it until it fits your needs. In Windows, you can go to Start > Settings > Ease of Access > Text cursor > Change text cursor thickness This setting works system wide. In macOS, there is absolutely no way to change the text cursor thickness system wide unless it is provided by the app itself. Some apps do, some don´t. LibreOffice unfortunately doesn´t and never did. For me, as a parially sighted person and most of the time working with macOS, every version of LO starting with 7.x isn´t accessible at all just because of the much too thin input caret in writer. I just had a look at the first beta of LO 24.2. The text cursor even went thinner! So disappointing that people with low vision seem to be more ignored with everey new version of LO. Accessibility isn´t just something for people using screenreaders, folks ;-) This task could be seen as a feature request either. But in my opinion, as the input caret sometimes was thicker, sometimes narrower, it is a bug. A feature I really would appreciate would be a way to individually adjust the input caret thickness in the accessibility settings of LO. Steps to Reproduce: 1. Open Writer in LO 7.x or (much thinner) in 24.x and open it in LO 6.x. 2. Compare the thickness in 6.x to 24.x 3. 6.x has a much thicker input caret which can still be seen by people with visual impairment or elderly people. In 7.0 or higher it´s getting thinner and thinner Actual Results: Text cursor too thin Expected Results: Text cursor always sufficiently thick even for people with vision impairment. A thickness like in 6.x would be ok. A way to adjust it individually would be much better. Reproducible: Always User Profile Reset: Yes Additional Info: I am using Version 6.4.7.2 (intel x64 version on M1 Macbook Pro, much more stable than recent versions for Apple Silicon btw) although it is missing some great features from the recent versions. Version: 6.4.7.2 Build-ID: 639b8ac485750d5696d7590a72ef1b496725cfb5 CPU-Threads: 10; BS: Mac OS X 10.16; UI-Render: Standard; VCL: osx; Gebietsschema: de-DE (de_DE.UTF-8); UI-Sprache: de-DE Calc: threaded
Detlef, thank you for reporting he bug. Which screen resolution do you use, because we habe simliar reports in bug 101379 and bug 132876. => NEEDINFO
(In reply to Dieter from comment #1) > Detlef, thank you for reporting he bug. Which screen resolution do you use, > because we habe simliar reports in bug 101379 and bug 132876. > => NEEDINFO Hi Dieter, I am using a resolution of 1920x1080 on a 27 inch Monitor.Thanks for mentioning reports 101379 and 132876. 132876 is from 2020-05-09 and still marked with the status NEW. 101379 even is much older (but it´s about a higher resolution). The input caret even got thinner since then. Any chance to speed up the process? Best Regards Detlef
[Automated Action] NeedInfo-To-Unconfirmed
Created attachment 191859 [details] comparison 7.6.4 vs 24.8 alpha0+ (cursor after pipe character) Thank you for the report, Detlef. I compared 7.6.4 and a recent trunk build but couldn't spot a difference, see attached screenshots. Version: 7.6.4.1 (X86_64) / LibreOffice Community Build ID: e19e193f88cd6c0525a17fb7a176ed8e6a3e2aa1 CPU threads: 2; OS: Mac OS X 13.2.1; UI render: Skia/Raster; VCL: osx Locale: en-US (en_US.UTF-8); UI: en-US Calc: threaded Version: 24.8.0.0.alpha0+ (X86_64) / LibreOffice Community Build ID: ef6ff2df2e1286974da2f344aa3b8e3ae9093a79 CPU threads: 2; OS: macOS 13.2.1; UI render: Skia/Raster; VCL: osx Locale: fr-FR (fr_FR.UTF-8); UI: en-US Calc: threaded Are you able to provide some comparison, between LO versions and/or between LO and other apps?
Created attachment 192580 [details] Thickness of input caret in Writer 7.4.7.2
Created attachment 192581 [details] Thickness of input caret in Writer 7.5.0.1
Hello Stéphane, I attached two screenshots (<lo_7472_input_caret.png> and <lo_7501_input_caret.png> which very clearly show the difference of the input caret thickness in these two versions. So my first notion was wrong. I compared approximately ten versions and found that with the first release supporting dark mode in macOS (7.5.01) the input caret got significantly thinner. I would be happy with a thickness like in 7.4.7.2 or, much better, with a settings dialog to define thickness by myself. Best Regards Detlef (In reply to Stéphane Guillou (stragu) from comment #4) > Created attachment 191859 [details] > comparison 7.6.4 vs 24.8 alpha0+ (cursor after pipe character) > > Thank you for the report, Detlef. > > I compared 7.6.4 and a recent trunk build but couldn't spot a difference, > see attached screenshots. > > Version: 7.6.4.1 (X86_64) / LibreOffice Community > Build ID: e19e193f88cd6c0525a17fb7a176ed8e6a3e2aa1 > CPU threads: 2; OS: Mac OS X 13.2.1; UI render: Skia/Raster; VCL: osx > Locale: en-US (en_US.UTF-8); UI: en-US > Calc: threaded > > Version: 24.8.0.0.alpha0+ (X86_64) / LibreOffice Community > Build ID: ef6ff2df2e1286974da2f344aa3b8e3ae9093a79 > CPU threads: 2; OS: macOS 13.2.1; UI render: Skia/Raster; VCL: osx > Locale: fr-FR (fr_FR.UTF-8); UI: en-US > Calc: threaded > > Are you able to provide some comparison, between LO versions and/or between > LO and other apps?
Created attachment 192584 [details] direct comparison between 7.5.0.1 an 7.4.7.2 showing that the input caret in 7.4.7.2 is twice as thick as in 7.5.0.1.
Created attachment 192921 [details] Screenshot 2024-03-03 pages and LO comparison Adding a comparison screenshot from Pages and LO main build on macOS 13.6.4. Unsure if this is a problem.
Didn't mean to dismiss the issue you brought up, sorry. But does the usability increase if you change the zoom level e.g. in writer? Had you tried Pages on macOS? Are you having the same usability trouble with that program with the text cursor? macOS > System Settings > Accessibility > Increase contrast sadly is not helpful in regards to the text cursor situation.
(In reply to steve from comment #9) > Created attachment 192921 [details] > Screenshot 2024-03-03 pages and LO comparison > > Adding a comparison screenshot from Pages and LO main build on macOS 13.6.4. > > Unsure if this is a problem. Hi Steve, well, the main difference between LO and Pages is the colour of the input caret. So this is definitely a prpblem because of a much too low contrast in Pages, but this is not what we are talking about here. To me both carets in your screenshot seem to have the same thickness. So Pages is even worse for me.
(In reply to steve from comment #10) > Didn't mean to dismiss the issue you brought up, sorry. But does the > usability increase if you change the zoom level e.g. in writer? > > Had you tried Pages on macOS? Are you having the same usability trouble with > that program with the text cursor? > > macOS > System Settings > Accessibility > Increase contrast sadly is not > helpful in regards to the text cursor situation. No, the thickness of the input caret has nothing to do with the zoom level. The input caret is getting longer then, but not thicker. Sorry to say, but Pages cannot be compared with LO. Pages doesn´t have half of the functionalites I need to work with documents. Even MS Word doesn´t, although it´s older. And surely I have tried to increase the overall kontrast, but it doesn´t make any difference either. So this is not a usability problem, it´s an accessibility problem, because the visibility of the input caret was decreased and it cannot be properly recognized by people with low or lower vision anymore. Unfortunately it isn´t adjustable by users in macOS. In Windows and Linux it can easily be set by users. So for macOS we need an in app solution.
Hello Everybody, seems that nothing is happening here since March although the problem still persists. At the moment I am forced to use LO in a virtual machine in order to have an input caret that fits my needs. Any help would be really really appreciated. Best Regards Detlef
(In reply to steve from comment #10) > Didn't mean to dismiss the issue you brought up, sorry. But does the > usability increase if you change the zoom level e.g. in writer? > > Had you tried Pages on macOS? Are you having the same usability trouble with > that program with the text cursor? > > macOS > System Settings > Accessibility > Increase contrast sadly is not > helpful in regards to the text cursor situation. Hi Steve, any news about the issue? I´m a little bit disappointed because it seems that I need to convince the community about the fact that since 7.5.0.1 I cannot see the input caret properly on macOS. So how can I find and invite more people with low vision to take part in this discussion? Best Regards Detlef
(In reply to steve from comment #10) > Didn't mean to dismiss the issue you brought up, sorry. But does the > usability increase if you change the zoom level e.g. in writer? > > Had you tried Pages on macOS? Are you having the same usability trouble with > that program with the text cursor? > > macOS > System Settings > Accessibility > Increase contrast sadly is not > helpful in regards to the text cursor situation. And please have another look at https://bug-attachments.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=192584. I think it shows the difference between the former thickness and the actual thickness of the input caret in LO on macOS very well. Thanks.
Just a user here like yourself. But I have nothing against making input caret a bit thicker, thus setting to NEW. Actually I'd prefer a thicker input caret myself, visual impairment or not, it makes spotting the caret quicker for all users.