Bug 37654 - UI Slide names no longer visible in Slide Pane / Page Pane
Summary: UI Slide names no longer visible in Slide Pane / Page Pane
Status: NEW
Alias: None
Product: LibreOffice
Classification: Unclassified
Component: Draw (show other bugs)
Version:
(earliest affected)
3.4.0 RC1
Hardware: All All
: medium enhancement
Assignee: Not Assigned
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Keywords:
: 37909 39050 40239 43736 (view as bug list)
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Blocks: Slide-Page-Pane
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Reported: 2011-05-26 23:40 UTC by Rainer Bielefeld Retired
Modified: 2017-06-13 20:10 UTC (History)
15 users (show)

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Screenshots comparing OOo3.1.1 - Libo3.4 (137.69 KB, application/pdf)
2011-05-26 23:40 UTC, Rainer Bielefeld Retired
Details
Mock-up for proposed change (8.83 KB, image/png)
2011-08-22 15:45 UTC, Stefan Knorr (astron)
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Description Rainer Bielefeld Retired 2011-05-26 23:40:45 UTC
Created attachment 47209 [details]
Screenshots comparing OOo3.1.1 - Libo3.4

I have been used to see the Slide names in the Page pane ant the slide previews. That information is no longer available in "LibreOffice 3.4.0RC1  – WIN7  Home Premium  (64bit) German UI [OOO340m1 (Build:11)]". I do not know where we lost that function. I know, the name still is visible in the Navigator, but in documents with many slides it's very annoying that you always have to check the name in Navigator.
Comment 1 Yifan Jiang 2011-05-27 01:13:33 UTC
Yes, also reproduced on 3.4 RC1 / SLED 11 sp1 i586.
Comment 2 vitriol 2011-06-03 22:32:00 UTC
*** Bug 37909 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Comment 3 Regina Henschel 2011-07-07 16:00:50 UTC
*** Bug 39050 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Comment 4 Cor Nouws 2011-08-15 15:20:39 UTC
slide name is shown in the 'mouse over' event ...
Comment 5 kaesezeh 2011-08-19 08:53:01 UTC
(In reply to comment #4)
> slide name is shown in the 'mouse over' event ...

That is nice, but far from the same functionality. I am using meaningful names to orient myself in the slide sorter etc. This must be easy to fix, they should get around and jsut do it ...
Comment 6 Cor Nouws 2011-08-19 10:41:51 UTC
(In reply to comment #5)
> I am using meaningful names
> to orient myself in the slide sorter etc. This must be easy to fix, they should
> get around and jsut do it ...

Ah, sounds great. Maybe you have insight in all the work that was done and found its way in OpenOffice.org 3.3.0 / LibreOffice, and give the right pointers?
Comment 7 Rainer Bielefeld Retired 2011-08-19 23:32:28 UTC
*** Bug 40239 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Comment 8 Cor Nouws 2011-08-20 02:03:23 UTC
PS. Don't get me wrong: I too think that hiding the slide names is not an improvement!
Comment 9 Christian Dywan 2011-08-22 02:16:11 UTC
Next time please attach actual images for screenshots, downloading an opening a PDF is neddlessly tedious here.

This still worked fine in 3.3.1.2.
Comment 10 Christoph 2011-08-22 13:17:28 UTC
(In reply to comment #0)
> I do not know where we lost that function.

Seems that a change from the OOo Renaissance activity removed the names:
http://openoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107215

Design specification:
http://ui.openoffice.org/VisualDesign/OOo_slide_selection.html

Consequently, there is a need to invest some thoughts here, otherwise the UI slide sorter will look / behave clunky - which would be as bad as the missing names.
Comment 11 Stefan Knorr (astron) 2011-08-22 15:45:23 UTC
Created attachment 50466 [details]
Mock-up for proposed change

Hm...
Common case: the slide title is just the slide number ("Slide [n]"), in this case it's irrelevant and should not be displayed, because the slide number is already displayed to the left of the slide.

Less common case: user has actually named the slide and the title is useful. In this case I think it should always be displayed. The slide could move down a little, to make space for title next to the number (see mock-up).


Additional things we might want to think about: some way to automatically generate a slide title from the slide's heading. Otherwise, only a few people will be able to use slide titles.
Comment 12 Christoph 2011-08-22 22:02:06 UTC
(In reply to comment #11)
> Less common case: user has actually named the slide and the title is useful. In
> this case I think it should always be displayed. The slide could move down a
> little, to make space for title next to the number (see mock-up).

Yes that will work for the slide pane, but it wont (easily) for the slide sorter - behavior should be the same, and there we need a common spaced grid that looks even. Unfortunately, I have no good solution yet myself :-\
 
> Additional things we might want to think about: some way to automatically
> generate a slide title from the slide's heading. Otherwise, only a few people
> will be able to use slide titles.

Yep, KPresenter did things like that, but: we have to take care to tell people what has been derived automatically and what not. Otherwise we create more mess handling their slides.
Comment 13 Christoph 2011-08-23 13:48:35 UTC
Hi Aaron, thought a bit about that issue ...

(In reply to comment #11)
> Common case: the slide title is just the slide number ("Slide [n]"), in this
> case it's irrelevant and should not be displayed, because the slide number is
> already displayed to the left of the slide.

Totally agree.

> Less common case: user has actually named the slide and the title is useful. In
> this case I think it should always be displayed. The slide could move down a
> little, to make space for title next to the number (see mock-up).

Agree as well, but I propose the following implementation which tries to balance both the "name manually changed" and "keep it clean and simple" if not:
* The given presentation has no slide having a manually defined name: Keep the visualization without any name for both Slide Pane and Slide Sorter (like we have that today).
* The given presentation has at least one slide having a manually defined name: Show all slides in both Slide Pane and Slide Sorter with the manually defined names (if available) or with automatically created names (like today: e.g. Slide 15)
* For ease-of-use, we should provide an easy way to delete a manually defined name (e.g. a simple solution, add "Delete" to the "Rename Slide" dialog)
* In any case: Remove the tool tipp showing the slide name (but keep it for slide functions like "hide").

The main advantage of this solution is, that a homogeneous grid is kept for both Slide Sorter and Slide Pane. And, no slide names are hidden.

Only disadvantage I'm aware about: people who don't know that slides can be renamed might never know about that feature ...

(Aaron, thanks for your proposal and your implicit urge to let me think about that a bit *g*).
Comment 14 Stefan Knorr (astron) 2011-08-25 09:19:53 UTC
* I agree with your argument that we need a evenly spaced grid. And after noticing that it is not possible to add single slides that differ in size from all others ... I can imagine how flexible the current grid is. In the future a more flexible grid layout mechanism might be helpful ... something akin to what file managers use.
I tried to make a mock-up of the slide sorter, with slides with/without titles, and all slides being on a the same baseline. This didn't work at all (So I won't upload it here), largely due to the fact that I didn't know where to put the slide numbers.

* I think having a dialogue to rename a slide is not quite 21st century. Maybe there's a way to integrate an "Add title" button into the new toolbar that shows when hover over a slide. This is probably out of scope.

So, for a short-term fix, I think your idea is the best solution. Long-term, we'll probably need to add a Whiteboard.
Comment 15 Björn Michaelsen 2011-12-23 12:01:31 UTC Comment hidden (obsolete)
Comment 16 Zirneklītis 2012-01-23 03:22:20 UTC
*** Bug 43736 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Comment 17 Zirneklītis 2012-01-23 03:30:06 UTC
The missing slide names is the problem both in Drawing as well as in Impress.
Comment 18 Rainer Bielefeld Retired 2012-01-23 03:35:41 UTC
@Zirneklītis:
<http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport_Details#Version>

@Thorsten:
Please feel free to reassign (or reset Assignee to default) if it’s not your area or if provided information is not sufficient. Please set Status to ASSIGNED if you accept this Bug.
Comment 19 Zirneklītis 2012-01-23 03:45:18 UTC
(In reply to comment #18)
> ..
> <http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport_Details#Version>
> ..

The bug was invented in 3.4 release. The problem is not solved in LibO_3.5.0rc1. Sorry for mess.
Comment 20 Rainer Bielefeld Retired 2012-03-21 05:01:01 UTC
If you frequently use Drawings witht many named slides this problem really is a pest.
Comment 21 Thorsten Behrens (CIB) 2012-04-12 05:08:50 UTC
Small nit - since this was a deliberate decision (back in the day), setting to enhancement. I otherwise agree to the analysis. ;)
Comment 22 Paul-Antoine Arras 2012-10-24 15:19:31 UTC
(In reply to comment #11)
> Additional things we might want to think about: some way to automatically
> generate a slide title from the slide's heading. Otherwise, only a few
> people will be able to use slide titles.

I totally endorse this proposition!
Not only are there rather few users who name manually slides (either since they do not even know about this feature or simply because they find it tedious -- my case) but automatic naming would also be very useful when exporting in PDF since the index is built upon slide names.
Comment 23 kaesezeh 2013-08-24 18:40:04 UTC
This - the absence of slide names in the slide sorter view (only visible with mouseover) - is still a problem in LibreOffice Version: 4.1.0.4 Build ID: 410m0(Build:4) on a Linux Mint 15 64bit KDE machine.
Comment 24 Thorsten Behrens (CIB) 2013-09-12 16:14:42 UTC
Apologies for not having gotten around fixing this bug yet; unfortunately in future I'll have even less time at my disposal for this, so I'm freeing up ownership for other volunteers to take over.
Comment 25 retired 2014-12-11 11:16:45 UTC
I for one do prefere to just have the slide number. For orientation I can indeed use the mouse over which shows the title. But the fastest way to get orientation is in fact to just look at the thumbnails of the slides.

I prefer it, the way it is now. my 2 cents... and yes, persisting with
Version: 4.5.0.0.alpha0+
Build ID: 6e91763769a562b88882a4c2a94b1367c6ed4866
TinderBox: MacOSX-x86_64@49-TDF, Branch:master, Time: 2014-12-11_02:24:05
Locale: de_
Comment 26 Ulrich Windl 2014-12-11 12:08:51 UTC
(In reply to foss from comment #25)
I agree if your slides have no specific title set (the default title is just the page number) and your slides are all significantly different. However if you have very similar slides or you have slide titles set (those will be converted to bookmarks on PDF export, BTW), you may prefer the readable slide title over possibly too-tiny-to-read slide contents.
The obvious difference between hovering information pop-ups and permanent text is that you can have only one hover pop-up, and pop-ups frequently cover other parts of the screen. If you use your own slide titles, seeing many of them at once allows you to check them for consistency and spelling errors, for example...
Comment 27 Matthew Francis 2015-02-14 14:09:54 UTC
Per comment 10, this is working as (currently) designed

Removing Keywords:regression
Comment 28 Zirneklītis 2015-02-15 05:36:25 UTC
And the currently design should be considered as a regression.
Comment 29 Robinson Tryon (qubit) 2015-12-13 11:23:58 UTC Comment hidden (obsolete)
Comment 30 Heiko Tietze 2016-06-21 13:29:55 UTC
Stefan's mockup in comment 11 is fine. EASYHACK?

The rename dialog compares the page names oddly to enables/disables the ok button. And the navigator is not updated immediately when the name is changed.
Comment 31 Heiko Tietze 2016-06-28 15:10:15 UTC
NEEDINFO for the code pointers.
Comment 32 jani 2016-09-15 05:56:49 UTC
Missing code pointer, difficulty<foo>,
Comment 33 Xisco Faulí 2016-09-27 10:36:14 UTC Comment hidden (obsolete)
Comment 34 jani 2016-10-25 12:58:51 UTC
After consultation, not very easy.