Bug 75045 - sidebar: Remove pointless controls from Paragraph panel
Summary: sidebar: Remove pointless controls from Paragraph panel
Alias: None
Product: LibreOffice
Classification: Unclassified
Component: ux-advise (show other bugs)
(earliest affected) release
Hardware: Other All
: medium enhancement
Assignee: Not Assigned
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Blocks: Sidebar-Properties
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Reported: 2014-02-16 08:13 UTC by Maxim Monastirsky
Modified: 2016-10-24 14:41 UTC (History)
5 users (show)

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How it looks now (10.61 KB, image/png)
2014-02-16 08:14 UTC, Maxim Monastirsky
How it may look (8.72 KB, image/png)
2014-02-16 08:17 UTC, Maxim Monastirsky
Even better solution (8.68 KB, image/png)
2014-02-16 15:46 UTC, Maxim Monastirsky

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Description Maxim Monastirsky 2014-02-16 08:13:18 UTC
Currently the Paragraph panel has some pointless controls that just eating space:

1) Two labels: "Spacing:", "Indent". They don't add any clarity (not to say functionality).

2) Two buttons: "Increase Indent", "Decrease Indent". These buttons just duplicate the functionality of spin-boxes. You can click on the corresponding spin-box (or scroll with the middle mouse button) to achieve the same result.

3) Two buttons: "Increase Spacing", "Decrease Spacing". Same argument as above (although I'm not sure about this one, because these buttons set both before/after paragraph space at once, which is not possible otherwise).

4) Paragraph backgroung color button is too wide. Can be a small button, just like font color/highlight buttons from the Character panel.
Comment 1 Maxim Monastirsky 2014-02-16 08:14:26 UTC
Created attachment 94152 [details]
How it looks now
Comment 2 Maxim Monastirsky 2014-02-16 08:17:11 UTC
Created attachment 94153 [details]
How it may look

In this screenshot I moved Increase/Decrease spacing buttons to the bottom, but they can be also moved to the first row, or removed completely.
Comment 3 tommy27 2014-02-16 08:35:48 UTC
UX-advise needed
Comment 4 Maxim Monastirsky 2014-02-16 15:46:02 UTC
Created attachment 94165 [details]
Even better solution
Comment 5 Maxim Monastirsky 2014-02-25 13:24:12 UTC
It was actually supposed to go to ux-advise.
Comment 6 V Stuart Foote 2014-02-25 14:56:56 UTC
Do not agree, especially as Sifr icons gain prominence, the text annotation in the widget layout actually is helpful from a UX and a11y perspective.

But, it doesn't make sense to do the sidebar UX design work one functional panel at a time. It is too easy for design and coding actions (UX and a11y) to get lost.

Adding this to the Sidebar meta bug 65138
Comment 7 Stefan Knorr (astron) 2014-02-25 15:33:17 UTC
None of the changes listed in this bug sound helpful to me:

+ icons are not as speaking as one might wish => there is a reason why
  the labels are there

+ increase/decrease buttons: they save you from thinking too much about
  indents (or spacing), are much faster to use than the spin buttons
  and produce consistent results

+ paragraph background colour button is indeed a bit wide, but showing the
  selected colour in a larger box is a good thing because that makes it more
  conspicuous (I would wish for that colour box to be a square next to the
  icon, but the  current look is definitely better than the proposals in the

+ moving the _paragraph_ spacing buttons directly next to the _line_ spacing
  button (as in attachment 94153 [details]) is even more confusing than the current

(The "even better solution" introduces even more disarray. Please read up on the Gestalt principles.)

I'd tend towards closing as INVALID or NOTABUG.
Comment 8 Tin Man 2014-02-25 16:16:06 UTC
About removing labels:
Please don't. The icons for the commands are relatively hard to interpret, and the labels help massively. In fact, it would be useful to separate spacing and indentation further visually -- perhaps have them in separate rows rather than next to each other.

About removing indentation buttons: Good idea, but it would be useful to increment and decrement by the same amount (1.25 cm in my case) in the spin box then.

About removing spacing buttons: Please do. These buttons are misleading -- they don't increase or decrease the spacing; they don't affect spacing at all. Rather, they only increase/decrease the space before and after a paragraph, which the spin boxes are sufficient for. (It would also be useful to move the line spacing drop-down and spin box from the spacing popover right into the sidebar, and get rid of the popover.)

About making the background color button smaller: I agree that the dimensions could be different -- the current ones, 64x12, seem haphazard and don't really fit in. However, given the space available, it's useful to have a size greater than the tiny rectangle that would be available in the toolbar -- for faster recognition.
Comment 9 Heiko Tietze 2016-05-23 13:35:07 UTC
I agree with the refusers and close this bug as WONTFIX. We should reorganize and realign the controls, however. It has been reported several times.