Arc and Circle making are currently overly complicated. The operation of making both does not reflect the most practical and intuitive use. Several serious usability issues are combined in this report, because they are closely correlated and should best be handled together. Arcs can currently only be drawn counter-clockwise, which most likely is the opposite of what is expected by most. Arcs and circles make funny movements along the vertical and horizontal lines through the first point set, so they usually do not reach their intended destination at all. The center can be set with the Alt-key however, but if the Alt-key is disengaged too early, they jump back again to an uncomprehensible location, if the first point set is not memorized; which is also never reached because the functions are looking for the horizontal and vertical intersection of that point. Even the most experienced users will most likely not be able to cope with this efficiently. The most essential function of the Alt-key (draw around center), which tames the operation, is also not shown in the popup help menu, so most users will be totally left in the dark before studying the manual. At least the Arc function is close to unusable without a lot of dragging and shifting for a casual user as is. LibO is not alone with this ergonomic catastrophe, other programs I have checked do not fare much better. So obviously a more sensible way of making Arcs and Circles has to be found, to turn these most basic operations into something usable. The underlying cause of all of this is the inappropriate use of invisible virtual auxiliary lines, which should be avoided at all cost. The most simple and straightforward solution is the markup and clear visualization of the center of these, then the rest can be drawn with ease and without surprise. This could be called a 'compass mode', which almost everybody should be able to use intuitively right away. The 'trick' is to always clearly mark the center (this is the most important common property of everything round) and do everything required afterwards in relation to the center. Suggested solution, unified 'Compass Mode': - First click: Clearly mark the center with a small cross, may even be red for better visibility. Show a dimmed full circle afterwards for visual guidance, as is, which is good. (the center may then be erased later, but it is often required in many types of formal drawings and may therefore be left as is. Automatic erasure should only be an option, needs a tick box for that.) - Second click: Mark the radius, which also should be the starting point of the Arc. - Third click: This is the endpoint of the Arc. Allow *both* right and left turns, to avoid complications and surprise. Delete the centerpoint, if automatic deletion of the centerpoint is set in the Draw-Options, otherwise it may be left as is. A circle can be most easily drawn with the same function, if the endpoints meet. Otherwise an additional Circle function is needed, that finishes after the second click. - Elliptic Transformations: Could be just done by dragging the arc or circle at the sides. This eliminates another additional function. With the above all Arcs, Circles and Ellipses could be drawn intuitively and easily with only one single function, with high precision, without surprise and without having to consult the manual first for such a basic operation. Implementation should be possible with very little efford, since the basic functions are already all there. It should get a new icon with a pair of compasses shown, to clearly visualize the operation. In addition the radius and the angle (vectorial coordinates) relative to the horizontal or vertical line could be shown next to the cursor (most simply just as a positive number of 0-45deg. to the closest main axis) to ease precise drawings (to be set as an Option).
(In reply to comment #0) > Arc and Circle making are currently overly complicated. Gerhard, can you clarify which tool in Draw you are referring to for "Arc" drawing? There is a "Curve" and "Ellipse" tool, as well as "Circle Pie" and "Block Arc" shapes that may be related. Usually a bezier curve (the Curve tool) is used to make an arc although it is possible to draw a circle using the Ellipse tool and break the line to produce an arc. > Arcs can currently only be drawn counter-clockwise, which most likely is the > opposite of what is expected by most. Again, I am not clear on which tool is being referred to here. It sounds like a reference to the Circle Pie tool, which currently behaves the same way as the equivalent in Inkscape. Status set to NEEDINFO. Once the above has been clarified please set the status back to UNCONFIRMED. Thanks.
@Owen: The description is clearly about the arc from the ellipse toolbox. In Impress you can use the toolbar "Circle and Ovals", in Draw you might need to customize the drawing bar and add the command .uno:EllipseToolbox. @Gerhard: You get a better handling of an already drawn arc, when you switch to point mode (key F8), because then the outer handles indicate the size of the full ellipse whereas in normal mode they indicate the bounding box and in point mode you can alter start and end angle. I strongly support the request for a better handling and can add further wishes: Extend the Position&Size dialog, to allow input of numerical values for start and end angle, and allow a method to determine position and size relative to the underlying full ellipse, currently only the bounding box is used.
(In reply to comment #2) > @Owen: The description is clearly about the arc from the ellipse toolbox. In > Impress you can use the toolbar "Circle and Ovals", in Draw you might need > to customize the drawing bar and add the command .uno:EllipseToolbox. Apologies. Thanks for clarifying that Regina. I see the Arc and Circle Arc tools now.
@Regina: Thanks for the F8 trick, new to me, very helpful! The hint should go into the popup help. I also strongly support your further wishes. @Owen: The arc and circle functions used to be well hidden in the in the Toolbars menu and were usually only be detected by good luck or intensive study of the manual. However with 4.3 the Drawing toolbar settings seem to have been greatly improved and it's now there, if I haven't set it myself as the first thing I always do :). After straight line drawing this is the second most important function for any type of formal drawing. Some further clarification: With compass mode a drawing compass is meant, the thing with the two legs and pin and pencil, used for geometric drawing (Zirkel in German). It should not be confused with a navigational compass, which also is round, but wouldn't make any sense here:). A 'compass mode' could probably be added as additional function, to not break anything for users prefering or used to the current procedure. Suitable icons (freeware?) for some initial testing and as example can be found here: http://findicons.com/icon/562850/compasses http://findicons.com/icon/562856/tools1 The rationale of the suggestion is to model the behavior to a tool everybody knows, so drawing can commence intuitively and efficiently without any second guessing. Simple formal drawing is the natural most common usage of Draw, which now is unnecessary complicated; mainly only for a much to steep learning curve of the program. Draw needs some heavy tweaking to get usable for most common tasks; an efford most users most likely are not willig or capable to make. Best Regards, Gerhard
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Manipulating the properties of arcs is easy in points edit mode, and when you create a new arc. The issue with numerical input should be handled in a different ticket.