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Bug 90516 - CHART: Inserted charts should always default to have border
Summary: CHART: Inserted charts should always default to have border
Status: RESOLVED WONTFIX
Alias: None
Product: LibreOffice
Classification: Unclassified
Component: ux-advise (show other bugs)
Version:
(earliest affected)
4.5.0.0.alpha0+ Master
Hardware: Other All
: medium enhancement
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Blocks: Chart
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Reported: 2015-04-08 12:36 UTC by Yousuf Philips (jay) (retired)
Modified: 2015-04-09 17:40 UTC (History)
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Description Yousuf Philips (jay) (retired) 2015-04-08 12:36:37 UTC
When inserting a chart, the default should be that the chart has a border around it so that its borders are easily seen when its inserted on the already white background of a document.
Comment 1 mahfiaz 2015-04-08 12:50:56 UTC
I happen to disagree. Modern design language avoids borders wherever possible so for quite a lot of people it would cause a lot of unnecessary work. If problem is that chart cannot be distinguished (IMO not a problem), inside text, then maybe adding some display-only clues would be an option.
Comment 2 V Stuart Foote 2015-04-08 13:35:53 UTC
As with any other graphic, insertion into a document should depend on the styling used in the document, and preferably not as picked-up from layout of the graphic/image. Defaulting the Chart OLE to show a border--when it is not otherwise needed becomes a nuisance to efficient layout.

Otherwise, as with having to externally edit other graphic/image types, you would have to reenter the OLE  Chart object and turn the border off.

Better to leave it *off* by default.
Comment 3 Owen Genat (retired) 2015-04-08 23:27:43 UTC
I agree with mahfiaz and Stuart for the reasons stated by each. A default of no border would seem best to me.
Comment 4 Adolfo Jayme 2015-04-09 11:31:12 UTC
I disagree as well. If the motivation behind this suggestion is alleged low visibility in the canvas, well, let’s change the canvas, without affecting printing and export. (But I don’t really think it’s an issue.) Also, other office suites do not add a random border to charts by default.

I’ll go ahead and mark this WONTFIX, taking into account mahfiaz’s, vsfoote’s and Owen’s comments.
Comment 5 Yousuf Philips (jay) (retired) 2015-04-09 12:41:21 UTC
(In reply to mahfiaz from comment #1)
> I happen to disagree. Modern design language avoids borders wherever
> possible so for quite a lot of people it would cause a lot of unnecessary
> work. If problem is that chart cannot be distinguished (IMO not a problem),
> inside text, then maybe adding some display-only clues would be an option.

Yes display-only clues similar to when we still see the cell borders of a table when the borders are turned off would assist to know where its borders are when editing, but wouldnt help when a document is printed.

(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #2)
> As with any other graphic, insertion into a document should depend on the
> styling used in the document, and preferably not as picked-up from layout of
> the graphic/image. Defaulting the Chart OLE to show a border--when it is not
> otherwise needed becomes a nuisance to efficient layout.

Charts in Calc do not have styles and when a user wants to place a border around a chart, he wouldnt be placing it around the OLE, he would be doing it around the chart, similar to him changing the background color of the chart.

> Otherwise, as with having to externally edit other graphic/image types, you
> would have to reenter the OLE  Chart object and turn the border off.

This is no different than a person who wants it on, to have to insert the chart, reenter the chart and turn the border on.

(In reply to Adolfo Jayme from comment #4)
> I disagree as well. If the motivation behind this suggestion is alleged low
> visibility in the canvas, well, let’s change the canvas, without affecting
> printing and export. (But I don’t really think it’s an issue.)

How would you suggest changing the canvas?

> Also, other
> office suites do not add a random border to charts by default.

Here are office suites which place the border on by default - Gnumeric, MS Office, iWork, Google Docs, Quattro Pro, FreeOffice/Softmaker Office

> I’ll go ahead and mark this WONTFIX, taking into account mahfiaz’s,
> vsfoote’s and Owen’s comments.

Had already added it to the design PAD for discussion, so we'll just leave it to be fully resolved there.
Comment 6 Yousuf Philips (jay) (retired) 2015-04-09 17:40:04 UTC
Was doing some more checking and WPS/Kingsoft and Thinkfree Office also have borders by default. So the only ones that dont have borders by default seem to be LibreOffice and Calligra.