When inserting a chart, the default should be that the chart has a border around it so that its borders are easily seen when its inserted on the already white background of a document.
I happen to disagree. Modern design language avoids borders wherever possible so for quite a lot of people it would cause a lot of unnecessary work. If problem is that chart cannot be distinguished (IMO not a problem), inside text, then maybe adding some display-only clues would be an option.
As with any other graphic, insertion into a document should depend on the styling used in the document, and preferably not as picked-up from layout of the graphic/image. Defaulting the Chart OLE to show a border--when it is not otherwise needed becomes a nuisance to efficient layout. Otherwise, as with having to externally edit other graphic/image types, you would have to reenter the OLE Chart object and turn the border off. Better to leave it *off* by default.
I agree with mahfiaz and Stuart for the reasons stated by each. A default of no border would seem best to me.
I disagree as well. If the motivation behind this suggestion is alleged low visibility in the canvas, well, let’s change the canvas, without affecting printing and export. (But I don’t really think it’s an issue.) Also, other office suites do not add a random border to charts by default. I’ll go ahead and mark this WONTFIX, taking into account mahfiaz’s, vsfoote’s and Owen’s comments.
(In reply to mahfiaz from comment #1) > I happen to disagree. Modern design language avoids borders wherever > possible so for quite a lot of people it would cause a lot of unnecessary > work. If problem is that chart cannot be distinguished (IMO not a problem), > inside text, then maybe adding some display-only clues would be an option. Yes display-only clues similar to when we still see the cell borders of a table when the borders are turned off would assist to know where its borders are when editing, but wouldnt help when a document is printed. (In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #2) > As with any other graphic, insertion into a document should depend on the > styling used in the document, and preferably not as picked-up from layout of > the graphic/image. Defaulting the Chart OLE to show a border--when it is not > otherwise needed becomes a nuisance to efficient layout. Charts in Calc do not have styles and when a user wants to place a border around a chart, he wouldnt be placing it around the OLE, he would be doing it around the chart, similar to him changing the background color of the chart. > Otherwise, as with having to externally edit other graphic/image types, you > would have to reenter the OLE Chart object and turn the border off. This is no different than a person who wants it on, to have to insert the chart, reenter the chart and turn the border on. (In reply to Adolfo Jayme from comment #4) > I disagree as well. If the motivation behind this suggestion is alleged low > visibility in the canvas, well, let’s change the canvas, without affecting > printing and export. (But I don’t really think it’s an issue.) How would you suggest changing the canvas? > Also, other > office suites do not add a random border to charts by default. Here are office suites which place the border on by default - Gnumeric, MS Office, iWork, Google Docs, Quattro Pro, FreeOffice/Softmaker Office > I’ll go ahead and mark this WONTFIX, taking into account mahfiaz’s, > vsfoote’s and Owen’s comments. Had already added it to the design PAD for discussion, so we'll just leave it to be fully resolved there.
Was doing some more checking and WPS/Kingsoft and Thinkfree Office also have borders by default. So the only ones that dont have borders by default seem to be LibreOffice and Calligra.