Bug 68565 - Other: Request for capability to save .BAK files in same location as original document
Summary: Other: Request for capability to save .BAK files in same location as original...
Status: NEW
Alias: None
Product: LibreOffice
Classification: Unclassified
Component: LibreOffice (show other bugs)
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Inherited From OOo
Hardware: Other All
: medium enhancement
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: 77550 (view as bug list)
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Blocks: AutoSave-AutoRecovery-Backup
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Reported: 2013-08-26 09:07 UTC by eBatch
Modified: 2019-03-15 02:40 UTC (History)
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Description eBatch 2013-08-26 09:07:03 UTC
As I understand it, LibreOffice (hereinafter LO) only supports saving of backup files (file type .BAK) in a single folder location (Windows7 default such as C:\Users\eBatch\AppData\Roaming\LibreOffice\4\user\backup) . I believe there are good significant drawback with the single default folder approach and would like to  request a capability to save backup files in same folder as the respective original documents. I see the drawbacks of the single folder approach as follows:


1. The single default folder will just get fuller and fuller over time with what are potentially redundant backup files (of course, if one is aware of it, one can "manage" the situation to some degree, but it is not as obvious as storing the backups along with the original documents).


2. Following on from 1. above, if one comes to manage the backup files at a later it is not not so obvious as to what each file is (without reviewing the contents). This is particularly so when one has many projects under way at the same time (especially where the documents for each project are held in discrete folders but with some degree of commonality of document naming - e.g. ...\CustomerA\Costings.odt  and  ...\CustomerB\Costings.odt etc.). 


3. Following the example given in 2. above, a conflict arises when editing documents with the same name from two different
folders. LO does not manage this effectively at all, with the backup reflecting whichever was the latest document to be saved. This happens regardess of whether the files are being edited (and saved) concurrently or separately. IMHO, not good at all.


Seems to me that one should at least have the choice of whether to use the current default method or store backups with the  original documents. This request applies to all components that support saving of such backup files.
Operating System: All
Version: Inherited From OOo
Last worked in: 4.1.0.4 release
Comment 1 Robinson Tryon (qubit) 2013-11-24 21:07:52 UTC
Interesting enhancement request.


Unsure about version (Inherited from OOo)
Not a regression (removing keyword)
Status -> NEW
Comment 2 ign_christian 2014-06-26 03:50:12 UTC
*** Bug 77550 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Comment 3 Howard Johnson 2017-03-02 19:44:25 UTC
As one workaround to this problem, a suggestion has been floated that backups might be done with a macro enhancement to help fix this issue without any change to LO, ref:

  https://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/88856/suggeston-for-location-of-backup-files/?answer=89030#post-id-89030 


I want to make two points about this possible alternative, both in support of the direction of the enhancement suggestions here by eBatch &  Maximiliano Castañón:

  1) As Ratslinger points out, and as relating to a macro based backup method enhancement option: "Base is not included as this presents other challenges."  In other words, this alternative does not appear to presently work for base users.

  2) Backups should not work well only for advanced users able to setup a macro, rather a quality backup should work right out of the box, especially for inexperienced users.  I have seen far too many users report loss of data in the ask.libreoffice.org support site.  In the 6 month's I've been active there, I'm guessing I've seen between 10 and 20 posts of people who had a loss and apparently didn't have any backups to recover from.  Most, if not all of these appeared to be people with low Karma (e.g. 1), or in other words, new users just learning LO.


I think a good, easy, and slick backup is essentially to retaining new users.  If one and only one thing works in all of LO, it should be the backup tools.  So yes, I think the backup can and should be significantly improved, and I think this is a high priority (even thought I have many other things on my wish list for Base).

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As I transition to LO Base from about 20 years of using Access, I very much miss the "Back Up Database" button that my Access has.  ref:

  https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Back-up-a-database-483D3D0A-4786-4BFF-9F70-B11BAEA520A7?ui=en-US&rs=en-US&ad=US&fromAR=1  

I want a better solution for Base that does not force me to keep re-naming my application using Save-As, which is the only solution we have right now for successive backups as I develop Base applications. e.g. 

Save As: MyApplication-01.odb
Save As: MyApplication-02.odb
Save As: MyApplication-03.odb
etc.

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Also there is another pitfall with the current Base Save-As method:  If you do a Save-As while you are in a form, it saves the form, not the database, creating an *.odt file, and fooling you into thinking you have a database backup.

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In particular, I want something like Access has: 

  A menu item which creates a backup on my command, and allows me to modify the auto-generated place and name before committing the save. 

I recall back in the early days, when Access did not yet have it, and I thought it was a great improvement when it was added, and I have loved the way they got this right, and it has saved me hundreds of times when things went wrong. It's simple and quick. 

It's time LO has such a backup I think.