Bug 68734 - triple click to select a phrase needs an uppercase character after the punctuation signal
Summary: triple click to select a phrase needs an uppercase character after the punctu...
Status: RESOLVED NOTABUG
Alias: None
Product: LibreOffice
Classification: Unclassified
Component: Writer (show other bugs)
Version:
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3.3.3 release
Hardware: x86-64 (AMD64) All
: medium trivial
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Reported: 2013-08-30 02:57 UTC by Jayme
Modified: 2015-05-13 14:28 UTC (History)
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Description Jayme 2013-08-30 02:57:08 UTC
If I try to select a single phrase using a triple click, I need to have an uppercase character after the punctuation signal. Otherwise, the selection loses the stop point and keep going on to the followed phrases. I think you can use this paragraph to test:

Hello, this is a simple paragraph test. did you realize that we begun this second phrase with a lowercase character? and here again! now I guess you have a good paragraph to test what I'm trying to say.

Try, please, to click over each one of the phrases in the paragraph above and you will understand my point. At least I hope so! Please, check that with some pontuation signals the selection works perfect. But not with all of them.

Thks...
Comment 1 tommy27 2013-08-30 17:12:45 UTC
modified summary notes.

tested under Win7 64bit with different LibO releases. 
triple click selection has the same behaviour at least up to 3.3.3 (but I suppose it has always been like that).

for the moment I'll label it as NEW but I'm tempted to label it as NOTABUG since it's caused by incorrect ortography from the user... 

AFAIK in every language the "." should alway be followed by a capital letter.

adding Writer expert to CC list to let him decide about it.
Comment 2 Jayme 2013-08-30 19:13:17 UTC
I understand... but when you say the "." should always be followed by a uppercase letter, I think you should say the ".", the "!", and the "?" should always be followed by a uppercase letter. However, the problem occurs only with the ".". So, at a minimum, this behaviour looks a little inconsistent.

As an additional observation, despite I had agreed with you about the convention on capital letters after certain punctuation signals, I think, in general, we are changing some conventions and, for instance, writing almost with no uppercase letters. Indeed, your own text may be a good example of it. 

So, in my opinion, fix this tiny detail can make Writer a bit more consistent and ready to the new trends.

Thks again.
Comment 3 tommy27 2013-08-31 12:16:39 UTC
(In reply to comment #2)
> I understand... but when you say the "." should always be followed by a
> uppercase letter, I think you should say the ".", the "!", and the "?"
> should always be followed by a uppercase letter. However, the problem occurs
> only with the ".". So, at a minimum, this behaviour looks a little
> inconsistent.

You are right about this.

> As an additional observation, despite I had agreed with you about the
> convention on capital letters after certain punctuation signals, I think, in
> general, we are changing some conventions and, for instance, writing almost
> with no uppercase letters. Indeed, your own text may be a good example of
> it. 

try writing a school paper with no uppercase and try explaining the teacher it's a new trend.... I bet it won't help to turn an "F" into an "A"

IMHO Writing processing tool should follow current orthographic conventions not SMS language trends etc. etc.

> So, in my opinion, fix this tiny detail can make Writer a bit more
> consistent and ready to the new trends.
> 
> Thks again.

I pass the ball to the develeopes.
Comment 4 Cédric Bosdonnat 2014-01-20 08:57:49 UTC
Restricted my LibreOffice hacking area
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Comment 6 Gordo 2015-05-12 17:12:29 UTC
Perhaps this behaviour exists because full stops are not only assoc. with the end of a sentence but with abbreviations, initials and decimal separators.  Changing the selection behaviour to include lower-case characters after a full stop would then result in only the text after these use cases being selected.  Extra conditions would then need to be considered and an extra click to get to the beginning of the sentence and then another click to get the paragraph.

What if a sentence contains three or four full stops?  At that point, it would be easier just to drag select the paragraph instead of having to repeatedly click.  There would be no consistency and the user would not know what to expect.  I do not know of any other application that acts this way and I doubt many would want it changed.

Click Shift Click Selection:
Click at the beginning of the text that you want to select.  Hold down Shift and click at the end of the block of text that you want to select.  You can even select from the end to the beginning of a block of text using this method.

Version: 4.4.3.2
Build ID: 88805f81e9fe61362df02b9941de8e38a9b5fd16

Changed to RESOLVED NOTABUG.
Comment 7 Jayme 2015-05-13 14:28:53 UTC
Yes, you have some points. I agree with your main idea, specially when we're talking about texts written in English. Thks for your attention.