[12:27] <marcoagpinto> guys?! Can I suggest a setting in the ML about "M$ Word page size"?
[12:27] <marcoagpinto> the margins, header and footer don't match the ones used by my M$ Word
[12:29] <buovjaga> marcoagpinto: but why not use Bugzilla?
[12:29] <buovjaga> except I think that might be because of the different internal units..
[12:30] <marcoagpinto> buovjag: there are custom settings in LO for all that
[12:30] <marcoagpinto> one just needs to create a template whatever
[12:30] <marcoagpinto> :)
[12:30] <marcoagpinto> "M$ Word 2016"
In simple words, when I add headers and footers, they appear too close to the main text which looks bad for academic works and such.
Academic works follow certain rules and M$ Word has them by default.
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MS Word 2016 margins (.doc)
MS Word 2016 margins (.doc)
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MS Word 2016 margins (.docx)
The .doc is Word 2003 format and the .docx is Word 2016 format.
The idea would probably be to add a new "margin type" to the list on the bottom right panel saying "MS Word".
[13:28] <buovjaga> marcoagpinto: do you really propose that as a setting in margins, or a template to be shipped with LibO?
[13:30] <marcoagpinto> yes
[13:30] <marcoagpinto> :)
[13:30] <marcoagpinto> this would make it easier for people to move to LO
[13:30] <marcoagpinto> such as students
[13:30] <buovjaga> well I think that is going too far and would prefer a template
[13:30] <marcoagpinto> sure
[13:31] <marcoagpinto> >:)
[13:31] <marcoagpinto> provided people can access it easily
[13:31] <marcoagpinto> :)
Thanks for explaining the topic.
There is no general template fitting all needs.
For specific needs, adjust your file or create a template if you need the settings more often.
If you think a special template is useful, create it and either suggest it for inclusion in the installation, or make it available via http://templates.libreoffice.org/template-center :)
So I close this as .. let's say NotABug.
suggestion: try to understand what bouvjaga says ;)
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Template for MS Word 2016 Academic Works
Is this the correct procedure?
I have created the template and uploaded it here in Bugzilla.
Can it be shipped with LO?
(In reply to Marco A.G.Pinto from comment #8)
> @Cor Nouws:
> Is this the correct procedure?
I guess not precisely, but .. ;)
> I have created the template and uploaded it here in Bugzilla.
> Can it be shipped with LO?
Good and clear start IMO.
Would it be an idea maybe to add a simple dummy chapter, with correct styling/numbering?
And maybe page numbering?
Or are those not exactly defined?
Can you maybe use placeholders (Ctrl+F2 > Function for Header/Footer here! ?
Would it be an idea to add some (custom) properties (File > Properties) and use those with fields in header/footer?
Is there a defined form for a TOC ?
Sorry, not to annoy you, but if you work on a template anyway, why not make it really marvellous :)
If needed, you may possibly add one/to screen shots in the template under a header "how to use" ?
Further, if added to LibreOffice I guess localization must be done.
Thanks a lot so far, of course!
@kendy: IIRC you've been involved by earlier inclusion of templates.
What route should we go (see previous comment too, please.)
Jay: You know about templates much more than me :-) - can you have a look / integrate this?
(In reply to Cor Nouws from comment #9)
Next week I will search for the Portuguese Military Academy rules for scientific publications (my Masters was taken there). I will make a summary of it.
Tomorrow I have a meeting with my PhD supervisor so I won't have time for anything.
On Friday it is the eve of my weekend supermarket job and I will be stressed.
In simple words: I will try to start doing it next Monday and have it finished on Tuesday after revising it.
As a note: the Military Academy guys only gave the rules in the thesis part, which means the students spent almost two years without knowing them, which affected the classifications.
Kind regards from your friend,
> (In reply to Marco A.G.Pinto from comment #8)
> > @Cor Nouws:
> > Is this the correct procedure?
> I guess not precisely, but .. ;)
> > I have created the template and uploaded it here in Bugzilla.
> > Can it be shipped with LO?
> Good and clear start IMO.
> Would it be an idea maybe to add a simple dummy chapter, with correct
> And maybe page numbering?
> Or are those not exactly defined?
> Can you maybe use placeholders (Ctrl+F2 > Function for Header/Footer here! ?
> Would it be an idea to add some (custom) properties (File > Properties) and
> use those with fields in header/footer?
> Is there a defined form for a TOC ?
> Sorry, not to annoy you, but if you work on a template anyway, why not make
> it really marvellous :)
> If needed, you may possibly add one/to screen shots in the template under a
> header "how to use" ?
> Further, if added to LibreOffice I guess localization must be done.
(In reply to Marco A.G.Pinto from comment #12)
Hey friend :) !
> In simple words: I will try to start doing it next Monday and have it
> finished on Tuesday after revising it.
No problem I think.
As written: now we are at it: better make a little more effort for a much better result. We might even consider to ask on marketing/10n/users list for more input in this type of template? Maybe in the end we have two or three or .. generic standards?
@Marco: There wouldnt be a point in bundling the template files you submitted so far as all they have in them is margin sizes and enabled headers and footers, which most users can create themselves. But it could be bundled if the template is expanded to show an example use of the template. Please see the link below for examples of templates that were submitted to us.
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I am kind of stressed... could someone check if the template is ready to be used by students or if it still needs additional improvements?
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Template ready - V1.1 - Grammar improvements
I have improved the grammar and all seems fine now.
(In reply to Marco A.G.Pinto from comment #17)
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> Template ready - V1.1 - Grammar improvements
> I have improved the grammar and all seems fine now.
Thanks Marco. Looks solid and with extensive explanation ;)
Still I have some suggestions. Send those by separate mail for discussion fist.
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I would not want to work with this template. First of all there are way too many styles in the template. People using more than four levels for headings also frightens little children (you can _hide_ unused styles).
Header is in Times New Roman/12, title in Liberation Sans/28, and text body in Calibri/11. Heading 1 has Liberation Sans/14 , heading 2 is in Liberation Sans/16.1 and bold. Etcetera.
My expectation is that the following styles are defined (and exemplary shown):
* title, subtitle,
* heading 1-3 (h1 with page break),
* text (I prefer equal spacing before and after; single line spacing for documents that have to be ),
* list with bullets, numbered list (lists with no spacing except the first and last item, which needs an extra style),
* figure caption, table caption,
* citation, and
* header, footer.
The template could be improved with fields like page number, author, title. Official templates like the APA style have several other restrictions. Each journal its own, of course.
I'm attaching an old template that is not necessarily better than yours (nor does it focus on thesis or academic paper).
Keep on with the work, we definitely need good examples!
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V1.2 - 2016-10-25
Clicked on the button that clears the formatting.
I was looking at the desktop files and noticed the template I started working on months ago.
I now clicked on the button that clears the direct formatting.
Is it now okay?
(In reply to Marco A.G.Pinto from comment #21)
> I now clicked on the button that clears the direct formatting.
That action works on selected text.. So try again and make the result to you like :)
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