Bug 100475 - :calculation error (see comment 12)
Summary: :calculation error (see comment 12)
Status: NEW
Alias: None
Product: LibreOffice
Classification: Unclassified
Component: Calc (show other bugs)
Version:
(earliest affected)
Inherited From OOo
Hardware: x86-64 (AMD64) All
: high major
Assignee: Not Assigned
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Keywords:
: 129658 (view as bug list)
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Blocks: Calculate
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Reported: 2016-06-19 06:49 UTC by Ted Waugh
Modified: 2022-10-10 03:31 UTC (History)
9 users (show)

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Attachments
The file with the problem. (20.30 KB, application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.spreadsheet)
2016-06-22 07:47 UTC, manuel.defranceschi
Details
Screenshot of the error (114.64 KB, image/png)
2016-06-22 14:48 UTC, manuel.defranceschi
Details

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Description Ted Waugh 2016-06-19 06:49:16 UTC
The following are the contents of the cells producing an error:

b72:7,093
b73:97,686 
b74:lessor of above 2 or 7,093 
b79, 14% of b74 does not equal 13,676 it should be 993

The problem seems to be related to the test of cells b72 and b73.

b72: 7,093    =0.75*D22 this is correct
b73: 97,686   =C69*0.25 this is correct
b74: 7,093    =IF(B72<B73,B72,B73) this is correct (least of above 2 amounts)

Noted here: I received an error code complaining about number of iterations not being set so I set interations to 25 and error went away and the resulting test worked properly.

What I didn't notice was:

b79: =0.14*B74 produced 13,676 which is incorrect it should be 993

Fortunately the amount was great enough in difference it was easily spotted.

If I go into cell b74 and set it to equal b72 (7,093) then the calculation works correctly. Cell b79 now equals 993.

The problem seems to be associated with the test in b74.
Comment 1 m_a_riosv 2016-06-19 11:31:46 UTC
Please attach  a sample file.
Comment 2 manuel.defranceschi 2016-06-20 08:19:28 UTC
Since there is need of a sample file(or a step by step explanation of how reproduce the bug) i change the state in NEED INFO.
Comment 3 manuel.defranceschi 2016-06-22 07:47:00 UTC
Created attachment 125821 [details]
The file with the problem.

The person who had reported the bug contacted me by email because he wasn't able to login in bugzilla. He send me the file, which I have attached, and effectively the bug is present.

To reproduce:
-Change the value of cell E7 in the attached file
-The value of the cell H79(=0.14*B74) changed in a wrong result

If I save the file and reload it, the result is correct.


I change the state to NEW.

Affected version:

Version: 5.0.6.3
Build ID: 490fc03b25318460cfc54456516ea2519c11d1aa
Locale: it-IT (it_IT.UTF-8)
OS: openSUSE Leap 42.1 (x86_64)
Comment 4 m_a_riosv 2016-06-22 14:21:51 UTC
What value to enter in E7 and what value must be the result in B79?
Comment 5 manuel.defranceschi 2016-06-22 14:48:48 UTC
Created attachment 125835 [details]
Screenshot of the error

(In reply to m.a.riosv from comment #4)
> What value to enter in E7 and what value must be the result in B79?

In theory any value should be enter in E7, and the result in H79(not B79) must be the content of B74*0,14. After some other test I discovered that some times the value in H79 remain correct(equal to 0,14*B74) even after i change the value in E7 for the first time, but if i change the value in E7 again the value in H79 become incorrect. I noticed that some times the value don't change at all when i change the value in E7. I attached a screenshot of the incorrect value. In the screenshot B74=3713 so H79 should be equal to 519.82, but the result in the sheet is 46,725. For obtain that number I had changed the value of E7 to 550000 and the value of H79 changed correctly to 46,725(0,14*334) then I changed E7 to 560000 and the value of H79 remain 46,725. I think the problem is that the cell don't update correctly when the value of another cell is changed.
Comment 6 m_a_riosv 2016-06-22 15:05:42 UTC
Is it solved with [F9] calculate or needs a [Ctrl+Shift+F9] hard recalculate.

The has a recursive calculation, may be with a low value for Minimum change in Menu/Tools/Options/LibreOffice calc/Calculate/Iterative References.
Comment 7 QA Administrators 2017-09-01 11:19:22 UTC Comment hidden (obsolete)
Comment 8 b. 2019-12-16 10:37:36 UTC
steps and values from comment #5 work fine with below mentioned ver., 

H79 is calculated to 519,86 (exactly 519,855) and not 519,82, but that may be an roundig issue, 

funnily H79 is 'off' from calculation after producing an error condition by switching iterations off, it gets '0' after re-enabling iterations, it comes back to values with 'hard recalc' (or other changes?), 

it's not the 'same' but similar to the behaviour of: 

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=129199

tested with: 

Version: 6.2.8.2 (x64)
Build ID: f82ddfca21ebc1e222a662a32b25c0c9d20169ee
CPU threads: 8; OS: Windows 6.1; UI render: default; VCL: win; 
Locale: de-DE (de_DE); UI-Language: en-US
Calc: 

b.
Comment 9 b. 2019-12-27 20:24:29 UTC
original complaint still ok in 6.4.0.1 CL-thr, but irregular behaviour of H79 'cut off' from recalculation after an error condition from comment #8 is still present, 

H79 comes to live again on new input changing B74 too, but - normally - should be
calculated correctly when you re-enable iterations, will open a new bug for that, 

tested with: 

Version: 6.4.0.1 (x64)
Build ID: 1b6477b31f0334bd8620a96f0aeeb449b587be9f
CPU threads: 8; OS: Windows 6.1 Service Pack 1 Build 7601; UI render: GL; VCL: win; 
Locale: de-DE (de_DE); UI-Language: en-US
Calc:
Comment 10 Xisco Faulí 2020-01-21 11:38:14 UTC
*** Bug 129658 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Comment 11 b. 2020-03-06 13:53:03 UTC
more problem(s) left ... 

with low values in E7 (definitively not the purpose of the sheet and not 'real life'; but a nice test to check the correctness of formulas and systematic inside calc) you get 0 as result in B74 and H79 for ~100.000 to ~540.000 in E7, below 100.000 B74 and H79 dont get final results, the iteration stops after two circles despite changes above the  'minimum change' limit, and it takes up to 10 manual triggered recalculations (strg-shift-F9) until B74 and H79 reach stable values. 

it's an effect of 'lagging behind' as described in other iteration bugs, e.g. 'bend_allowance' #81757 or 'silent, deceptive fail' #129199. 

it's easier to see when you format B74 and H79 to show more decimal places.
Comment 12 Telesto 2020-05-18 19:23:01 UTC
To get it straight for me
Taxes payable (J11) should show $1.250.093 for E7 10000000. However the 
it starts with 1276160 and needs multiple hard recalculates (Calculate doesn't work) to solve

Version: 7.0.0.0.alpha1+ (x64)
Build ID: f9790da286f2d2fa47f1748f8cfa6172c6622ca3
CPU threads: 4; OS: Windows 6.3 Build 9600; UI render: default; VCL: win; 
Locale: de-CH (nl_NL); UI: en-US
Calc: CL

and
LibreOffice 3.3.0 
OOO330m19 (Build:6)
tag libreoffice-3.3.0.4
Comment 13 Xisco Faulí 2020-05-21 14:16:20 UTC
@Eike, I thought you might be interested in this issue
Comment 14 Eike Rathke 2020-05-25 15:48:49 UTC
No time for such thing. Iterations are a hairy soup.
Comment 15 QA Administrators 2022-10-10 03:31:17 UTC
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