Bug 101760 - Picture/frame positioning: Rename "Follow text flow" as "Keep inside text area"
Summary: Picture/frame positioning: Rename "Follow text flow" as "Keep inside text area"
Status: RESOLVED FIXED
Alias: None
Product: LibreOffice
Classification: Unclassified
Component: Writer (show other bugs)
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Inherited From OOo
Hardware: All All
: medium enhancement
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Whiteboard: target:6.3.0
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Blocks: Image-Dialog
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Reported: 2016-08-28 06:36 UTC by RGB
Modified: 2019-05-03 09:04 UTC (History)
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Description RGB 2016-08-28 06:36:22 UTC
When you go to the properties of an image or frame → Type tab, under Position you have the very useful but badly named option "Follow text flow". As the help says, this option

"Keeps the selected object within the layout boundaries of the text that the object is anchored to. To place the selected object anywhere in your document, do not select this option."

This option is particularly useful when text wraps around pictures that to not take the full text area width.

"Follow text flow" is a bad name because frames *always* follow the flow of the text that the object is anchored to: by forcing it to remain inside the text area this option avoids the situations on which the object accidentally cross the lower margin, hence my proposal to rename it as "Keep inside text area" or something similar.
Comment 1 Heiko Tietze 2016-08-29 20:10:17 UTC
Microsoft Word calls it "Move with text". I'm not sure if any of those labels are better to understand. And actually you should not ignore the "vertical position" headline for this option.

What really helps is an informative tooltip.

Side note: I tested with a text box and the checkbox has no effect on the placement. Maybe I'm wrong... (v5.2 at Linux)
Comment 2 Yousuf Philips (jay) (retired) 2017-05-14 20:13:53 UTC
So the label is the same from the ODF spec, which mentions "The style:flow-with-text attribute specifies the behavior of drawing shapes that are positioned at a certain distance below an anchor and do not fit on the page where the anchor is. If the value of the property is true, such drawing objects follow the text flow, that is, they a displayed on the next page. If the attribute value is false, such drawing objects are displayed outside the page's text area."[1]

e.g. <style:graphic-properties style:flow-with-text="true" />

[1] http://docs.oasis-open.org/office/v1.1/OS/OpenDocument-v1.1-html/OpenDocument-v1.1.html#15.27.27.Flow%20with%20Text|outline

So for me, MS's 'Move with text' is more understandable than 'Follow text flow', though i would improving it further as 'Move with paragraph text' or 'Move with anchored paragraph text'. The suggested 'Keep inside text area' wouldnt make sense to me if i saw it, as i could move an image outside of page margins which is the text area.

@Cor, @Stuart, @Regina, @Sophie: What's your take?
Comment 3 Cor Nouws 2018-04-10 19:22:57 UTC
> "Follow text flow" is a bad name because frames *always* follow the flow of
> the text that the object is anchored to: by forcing it to remain inside the

paragraph of character, yes,

> text area this option avoids the situations on which the object accidentally
> cross the lower margin, hence my proposal to rename it as "Keep inside text
> area" or something similar.

Ah, well spotted. The menu "View > Text Boundaries" shows the relevant area. So "Keep inside text boundaries" sounds appropriate.
Comment 4 sophie 2018-04-11 09:12:05 UTC
(In reply to Cor Nouws from comment #3)
> > "Follow text flow" is a bad name because frames *always* follow the flow of
> > the text that the object is anchored to: by forcing it to remain inside the
> 
> paragraph of character, yes,
> 
> > text area this option avoids the situations on which the object accidentally
> > cross the lower margin, hence my proposal to rename it as "Keep inside text
> > area" or something similar.
> 
> Ah, well spotted. The menu "View > Text Boundaries" shows the relevant area.
> So "Keep inside text boundaries" sounds appropriate.

+1 from me - Sophie
Comment 5 Commit Notification 2019-04-27 09:29:01 UTC
Roman Kuznetsov committed a patch related to this issue.
It has been pushed to "master":

https://git.libreoffice.org/core/+/3ab6d246cc44617af5ed416b5d49f2f35b61ceea%5E%21

tdf#101760 Rename "Follow text flow" as "Keep inside text boundaries"

It will be available in 6.3.0.

The patch should be included in the daily builds available at
https://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/ in the next 24-48 hours. More
information about daily builds can be found at:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Testing_Daily_Builds

Affected users are encouraged to test the fix and report feedback.
Comment 6 Commit Notification 2019-05-02 17:23:56 UTC
Ilmari Lauhakangas committed a patch related to this issue.
It has been pushed to "master":

https://git.libreoffice.org/help/+/3c13f19ccac3c882a1971e5cf78e6bfb8ffcaa7d%5E%21

tdf#101760 Rename "Follow text flow" as "Keep inside text boundaries"