Bug 103631 - FORMATTING: Text doesn't behave according to style definition
Summary: FORMATTING: Text doesn't behave according to style definition
Status: RESOLVED INSUFFICIENTDATA
Alias: None
Product: LibreOffice
Classification: Unclassified
Component: Writer (show other bugs)
Version:
(earliest affected)
5.2.2.2 release
Hardware: x86-64 (AMD64) Windows (All)
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Reported: 2016-11-01 23:45 UTC by JBW
Modified: 2016-12-02 19:53 UTC (History)
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Simple document with 2 paragraphs showing problem (7.16 KB, application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document)
2016-11-02 17:19 UTC, JBW
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Description JBW 2016-11-01 23:45:25 UTC
Behaviour: Text in document shows first line with hanging indent of some 1cm. Style is 'Text body', but 'Text body' style does not have a hanging indent so I cannot just change it. Double-clicking the style (to impose 'Text body' on the paragraph) produces same result. Default style has same result. Where could this indent be coming from?

Background: This began to happen after I'd been trying LO5 for a few weeks. I notice that the "CV" template is selected for this document, which is wrong. 

Hmm. Notice that this document is saved in .docx format. Will fiddle around with this and see if it changes anything. Still seems to be a bug but will report back if I find anything.

Have tried deleting my user profile and re-opening. No change.

My background: I'm a long-time Word user looking to get away from adding to Microsoft's ill-gotten gains, so have considerable experience with
Comment 1 Xisco Faulí 2016-11-02 08:42:49 UTC Comment hidden (obsolete)
Comment 2 JBW 2016-11-02 17:19:08 UTC
Created attachment 128445 [details]
Simple document with 2 paragraphs showing problem

Am hoping that this is not solved by some simple format feature that I'm not aware of. I'm simply approaching this as I would in a Word document.
Comment 3 Buovjaga 2016-12-01 18:21:19 UTC
JBW: how did you create this document? In LibreOffice? Can you give us steps that lead to this effect reliably?

I tried inspecting the styles.xml and document.xml inside the .docx, but didn't discover the problem (.docxes are just .zip files).

Set to NEEDINFO.
Change back to UNCONFIRMED after you have provided the information.
Comment 4 JBW 2016-12-01 18:44:37 UTC
First, thanks for your attention to this. Noted that you had to change the status after my last visit to "UNCONFIRMED". Not sure why this happened as I thought I'd changed that.

To respond to your questions. No, the document was created in Word 2016, and I was trying to recreate my styles in the LibreOffice document went things went awry.

But I'm not sure what your comment is saying. Are you saying that you cannot reproduce my observed problem when you open this document? To perhaps repeat: my difficulty is that some headings seem to be negatively indented--hanging 1/4" to the left of the page/text margin. And I cannot seem to correct this because the style (cleared, deleted, added again, changed to "normal", etc, etc) says that there is no indent! By every means of reckoning, the style specification asserts that the heading text is already lined up with no hanging line or indent.

I'm afraid that I have now abandoned LibreOffice and moved that document back to Word (where it gave me a similar problem but I think I corrected it there). In short I'm afraid I've moved on. 

I'm disappointed. I am quite frankly amazed at the quality of LibreOffice and very disappointed that it didn't work out. But stumbling this early on a difficulty that proved to be so stubborn is something I don't want to deal with at this point. Good luck with it. Will check back in a year or so.

Will leave the status as is.
Comment 5 Buovjaga 2016-12-01 18:49:35 UTC
(In reply to JBW from comment #4)
> First, thanks for your attention to this. Noted that you had to change the
> status after my last visit to "UNCONFIRMED". Not sure why this happened as I
> thought I'd changed that.
> 
> To respond to your questions. No, the document was created in Word 2016, and
> I was trying to recreate my styles in the LibreOffice document went things
> went awry.

So is the document you attached the original document from Word 2016 or did you modify and save it from LibreOffice?

I do see the problem, but it is vital to know the origin.
Comment 6 JBW 2016-12-01 18:51:31 UTC
Oops! Some errors in my previous comment (would be nice to have access to previous comments while adding a new one) that I wanted to correct but couldn't figure out how to edit them. 

I described the problem as occurring with headings where I should have said that the problem was with text-body.
Comment 7 Buovjaga 2016-12-02 17:05:39 UTC
(In reply to Buovjaga from comment #5)
> So is the document you attached the original document from Word 2016 or did
> you modify and save it from LibreOffice?
> 
> I do see the problem, but it is vital to know the origin.

Still waiting for a reply to this.
Comment 8 JBW 2016-12-02 18:49:37 UTC
The original document was Word 2016. But I opened it in LO5 and then saved it in LO5 and re-opened it in Word to make sure that I could return to Word if necessary. I would have thought this pretty standard testing of a new product. 

I believe that I then went on and attempted to redefine the styles in the default template. I seem to remember that couldn't find a default (Word's equivalent of 'normal.dotx) so I created a new template and may have based a new (this?) document on that template. However, from my remarks above it seems as though the current template is not one that I recognize. It is also possible, from this recollection, that I started a new LO5 document with a revised template and pasted the original text from the Word 2016 document and then saved it.

Sorry, but in the flurry of experiments that one does when testing out new software, I don't follow a rigid path or indeed one that I can even remember.
Comment 9 Buovjaga 2016-12-02 19:14:07 UTC
Ok. Would it be possible for you to recreate the problematic document from scratch in Word 2016?

We need to be able to scientifically reproduce the problem :)
Comment 10 JBW 2016-12-02 19:36:15 UTC
Well, I probably could. However, you now have pretty much the same information that I have, so it is just a matter of who is to attempt the tiresome and time-consuming business of trial and error to recreate the trail that leads "scientifically" as you put it, to the error.

But here our paths separate. I tried to get LO5 to work for me; it failed on this item (and there may be others); I will move on, having attempted as best I can to describe my problem so that it can be solved. 

You presumably have a vested interest in solving problems like this and doing the excellent work that makes products like LO5 available. I admire this effort and appreciate it, but am committed to other work and will move on.

If there's further _information_ that I can provide, let me know. But no, I don't wish to try to recreate this document.
Comment 11 Buovjaga 2016-12-02 19:53:15 UTC
You did not give steps to create the document in Word 2016, so it is impossible for us to do. Closing as insufficientdata.

Re: vested interest - yes, to the extent that I am a user of the software.. I hope you don't expect that I get paid to do this.