I have reported this but for Writer, but this is relevant for all parts of LibreOffice where signing is used. We are using lately many digitally signed and/or encrypted Emails. Also in some cases it is governmental obligation to sign some documents. LibreOffice is doing great job in providing this. But there is missing a very important functionality when users are printing such documents. Most of users would like to have such signed documents printed on paper. But after the printing of such documents, on the paper are missing any evidences that the printed document is signed by certain person and if the documents signature/s is/are valid and if the key is trusted. This possibility is urgently needed in many cases of the real life and is creating a lot of troubles when signed messages need to be printed and used on paper. Please possibly provide some option in the UI of LibreOffice, to make possible for the users to put on the paper image of the printed documents some easy visible information about the possible signatures, signature comments, who signed and the trust of the keys he/she is using. Customers shall have the options if they would like to print the document with this information or without it. With best regards,
@Thorsten, I thought you could be interested in this issue...
Sounds to me like an enhancement.
When you digitally sign a document, its purpose is to ensure the document isn't modified by a third person. How can you ensure the paper version isn't modified? There is no way to do so. Closing as RESOLVED WONTFIX
Dear Xisco, I am very sorry about this decision. Yes developers wont fix any thing, because they think they know better and would like to do different ting instead of tings customers are asking. This is the easiest way of life. But do not fix this do not fix that and finally customers are not happy and to use the product is not fun or product can not work for many people. And I am worried this way the base for the product will shrink every day. The need for printed evidence that electronic document was signed REALLY IS NEEDED especially in the communication of documents in big organisations and government agencies. I was trying to discuss there about the LibreOffice but they say "it can not do the job enough good" and continue to use Microsoft Office etc... There people are using a lot of printed documents and need to know and need have evidences that paper copy of the documents have been signed and the signature is true and trusted. This can be confirmed by the finger print which is especially prepared to be easy to check by humans. If some one would like to check it later he/she can check the electronic document, but people are using papers mostly. Sorry to say but I am disappointed that fixing and improvement of LibreOffice is not working enough well. There are important bugs not fixed since 5 or more years. If so maybe your decision not fix smaller bugs is reasonable. But from my position I do not see any reason to write bugs and make improvement suggestions if any of them are rejected or no body takes care about them. OK, you will not fix, I will not write suggestions or bug reports and temporary the life will be fine during people in business and in government will contijue ditch LibreOffice and will use other software even not free as in freedom but capable of doing the job needed. By the way there is a lot of other software even opensource or free already implemented this functionality and they are sure it is needed. Wishing you all the best,
(In reply to kivi from comment #4) > Dear Xisco, > > I am very sorry about this decision. > Yes developers wont fix any thing, because they think they know better and > would like to do different ting instead of tings customers are asking. This > is the easiest way of life. But do not fix this do not fix that and finally > customers are not happy and to use the product is not fun or product can not > work for many people. And I am worried this way the base for the product > will shrink every day. > > The need for printed evidence that electronic document was signed REALLY IS > NEEDED especially in the communication of documents in big organisations and > government agencies. I was trying to discuss there about the LibreOffice but > they say "it can not do the job enough good" and continue to use Microsoft > Office etc... > > There people are using a lot of printed documents and need to know and need > have evidences that paper copy of the documents have been signed and the > signature is true and trusted. > This can be confirmed by the finger print which is especially prepared to be > easy to check by humans. If some one would like to check it later he/she can > check the electronic document, but people are using papers mostly. > > Sorry to say but I am disappointed that fixing and improvement of > LibreOffice is not working enough well. There are important bugs not fixed > since 5 or more years. If so maybe your decision not fix smaller bugs is > reasonable. But from my position I do not see any reason to write bugs and > make improvement suggestions if any of them are rejected or no body takes > care about them. Thousands of bugs are fixed every month. Unfortunately our resources are limited and we can't fix them all. At some point, if you need an enhancement implemented or a bug fixed, you either wait until someone does it for you ( it might take years), you do it yourself, you find someone to do it for you or you get professional support < https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/professional-support/ > > > OK, you will not fix, I will not write suggestions or bug reports and > temporary the life will be fine during people in business and in government > will contijue ditch LibreOffice and will use other software even not free as > in freedom but capable of doing the job needed. > > By the way there is a lot of other software even opensource or free already > implemented this functionality and they are sure it is needed. Could you please share with us two/three software implementing this feature ? I could help us reconsidering the decision. Thanks in advance
A useful feature IMO. Printing different kind of information present in document is never useless; we e.g. have an option printing comments - which are not part of prepared document layout, but we agree that printing those may help in some workflows. Just as well, printing this metadata about digital signatures might serve its goals. Of course, I agree that when and who might implement this depends on interested parties; but closing it is bad in my opinion.
Created attachment 152500 [details] Example printed documnet with digital signature I think it's valid enhancement. I every day look at these documents (see attach)
Right now I am very busy workin, but need to aswer and write some example shortly. Past Year we discussed with a big company about possible migration to Linux. And they liked KDE as in openSUSE for desktop, and asked some E-mails to be printed on paper with evidences if these are signed electronically and if the signature is trusted. Then we discussed it with the guys in KDE and they started to implement it in kMail. There are other examples also, but I remember KDE guys as it was short question very friendly communication and prompt response.
Created attachment 153091 [details] This is example how the guys from KDE had made possible to print evidences for the electronic signature on the printed paper of a E-mail message. This is example how the guys from KDE had made possible to print evidences for the electronic signature on the printed paper of a E-mail message. Users can dhoose it they need to see the evidences on the printout or not.
Email is a structured text and it's quite easy to add this information too. I wonder what you expect for a printed letter/thesis/contrat/book... - some automatically inserted header/footer, a start page, some sub title, watermark... And isn't any of this misleading since you can fake any?
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #10) > Email is a structured text and it's quite easy to add this information too. Note that "email" reference in the description is misleading and should be ignored: the request is for any type of document, which of course *might* also arrive by email (maybe the request should be limited to any type of *text* document initially, for better manageability). > I wonder what you expect for a printed letter/thesis/contrat/book... - some > automatically inserted header/footer, a start page, some sub title, > watermark... I suppose that it should follow the *already implemented* feature in PDF: https://vmiklos.hu/blog/sd-visible-pdf-sign.html > And isn't any of this misleading since you can fake any? We are not a signature authority, to be afraid of this. It is not our business if users who need that can not rely on authenticity of the printed information. As the mentioned visible PDF signature feature shows, it is useful, regardless of the possibility to fake.
In response to comment 10 ------------------------- I can say it is not true your opinion "And isn't any of this misleading since you can fake any?". Yes on the paper one can fake by untrue info, but users always have the electronic document and can check it. So if fake info will be put on the paper it can not mislead the user as user can and should check the original electronic document to see the signatures status there. Simply visible signs that the document is signed with an electronic signature and the signature is trusted allow to speed up and facilitate work with such documents. As you can see from the attached examples from KDE and from Kuznetsov, this has long been widely used in the world out from LibreOffice. For example, I constantly work with documents signed in this way and with similar visible evidence of the signature created by Adobe Acrobat DC and practice shows that problems with forgery of the printout have not been reported so far.
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