Bug 121574 - Enhancement : Pasting from Writer to Impress Should be "Text only" by default
Summary: Enhancement : Pasting from Writer to Impress Should be "Text only" by default
Status: NEW
Alias: None
Product: LibreOffice
Classification: Unclassified
Component: Impress (show other bugs)
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Inherited From OOo
Hardware: All All
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Blocks: Paste-Special-Unformatted
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Reported: 2018-11-21 08:58 UTC by Pierre C
Modified: 2018-12-10 09:41 UTC (History)
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Description Pierre C 2018-11-21 08:58:40 UTC
Hi, 

This is an enhancement request.

Copying from writer to impress, imports styles from writer, many styles... And this is rarely what the user wants. Text rendering in writer should not be the same in Impress.

Most often users are only copying text and they use special past then select "Text Only"

So This should be the default behaviour (FMPOV)

At last User should be warned that the Writer styles will be imported and then fill the impress styles with many unwanted ones

At least, only the styles used in the pasting object should be added to impress style's
Comment 1 Regina Henschel 2018-11-21 11:03:55 UTC
The default, which you get by Ctrl+V is a Writer-OLE. The reported adding of styles only happens, if you insert the clipboard in rich text format.

I think, that changing the default is a valid request and something the UX-team should consider.

BTW, I consider it a bug, that in rich text format graphic styles are generated. But that is a different topic.
Comment 2 Pedro 2018-11-27 16:55:01 UTC
Agreed!
Comment 3 Cor Nouws 2018-11-28 18:23:41 UTC
My preference would not to change this - solely to let users struggle a bit to learn paste special. Sorry ;)
Comment 4 Heiko Tietze 2018-11-28 19:21:25 UTC
I'm also on the pro side. Makes not much sense to burn Writer styles into a presentation and users have always to paste special which is quite error prone. 

If formatting is taken, we better do it with rich text as Regina suggests. => BUG
Comment 5 Pierre C 2018-11-28 21:15:26 UTC
I really found rare reasons to copy any text to Impress keeping the source format.

Most people don't know special paste and waste their time to clean the pasted text

I think that it would be fine, when copying text only, that text is copsed with no direct format and text style. Current behaviour is copying with Standard style and adding directs formats. This is another waste of time to clean direct formats and change style to Text
Comment 6 jim 2018-12-01 17:37:32 UTC
Agreed - Text Only as default.
Comment 7 Luke 2018-12-02 16:33:20 UTC
Strongly Disagree - RTF or OLE should be default


This enhancement is a bad idea. For several reasons.

1) The other office suites do not use text only as default. Popular suites such as Word Perfect and MS Office use the rich text format by default.

2) For consistency sake, all apps should behave the same way whenever possible. Copying from Calc to Writer should be the same as Writer to Calc. Adding this unnecessary inconsistency will make the UX feel unpolished.

3) The claim that presentations would not want to preserve source formatting is just not true. While working on company presentations, I have cribbed marking material in other formats. Most of the time, I have kept the source formatting as it conforms to our company's standards.
Comment 8 Pierre C 2018-12-03 20:30:12 UTC
@ Luke
1 I'm not using LO as a cheap clone of MSO. I'm using LO for many reasons, and one of them is that if a user wants a new feature, he can ask for it. If the feature is considered as a good idea by the community, it'll be agreed. And if a dev has time to implement it, it'll be done.

2 Seam's reasonable, but should be applied with intelligence to avoid stupid behaviour. (Out of discussion, but I can't remember when I should press the shift key to keep ratio size of an object and when I shouldn't)

3 The only valuable argument(FMPOV). But, presentations are to be used on screen, with few words, images etc. Document are to be used on hand, to be read. With many words, sentences, paragraphs, chapters...
  There is absolutely no reason to have the same police with the same size and the same colour.
Helping people to work this way is not helping them to build good presentation, even if it is done on company such as MS

No, I still believe that pasting text only with text style, is a good way to past text from Writer. The style you want to use should be Text for most of time and a child style of Text in the other cases.
Such a behaviour should encourage people to use this great functionality that MSO PP haven't (AFAIK).
Comment 9 Cor Nouws 2018-12-04 22:22:24 UTC
Pasting a slide to a text document, seems more useful to me than pasting just text.
And I agree with Luke on the consistency,
Comment 10 Pierre C 2018-12-05 09:06:39 UTC Comment hidden (off-topic)
Comment 11 Heiko Tietze 2018-12-10 09:41:09 UTC Comment hidden (off-topic)