Examples: When you change the paragraph style from Body Text or Default Style to, say, Heading 1, Heading 2 etc. - you probably want to drop the direct formatting.

And what if you apply "MyFancyHeadingStyle"? Thing is, we have a) to comply with the format, b) take care about round trips with alien formats, and c) consider user customizations. So this clearly wont fix.

Currently in discussion is bug 38194 (and related): proper feedback when the user has done direct formatting.

(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #2)
> And what if you apply "MyFancyHeadingStyle"?

This bug is strictly about when you've formatted directly, not applied a style. Applying a style express stronger intent.

> b) take care about round trips with alien formats
> and c) consider user customizations. 

I'm not sure what you mean. Can you elaborate?

Also, if you ask a question, please extend me the courtesy of letting me try to respond before closing a bug.

The hierarchy that defines the actual appearance is paragraph style, character style 1..n, direct formatting. Your proposal is about overriding a direct formatting when the user applies a certain style, and you want to do it for just some styles like headings.

My objection was that heading is not defined by a clear attribute and you may have user defined styles that behave like this. So the realization of your proposal would be a manual flag aka checkbox whether this paragraph style turns the usual logic upside down (but only when applied, otherwise it has to be stored with the document and respected by all programs that use ODF). Sounds very complicated.

(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #4)
> The hierarchy that defines the actual appearance is paragraph style,
> character style 1..n, direct formatting. Your proposal is about overriding a
> direct formatting when the user applies a certain style, and you want to do
> it for just some styles like headings.

I'm not proposing overriding the logic, just clearing direct formatting, once - As though you've applied "Clear direct formatting" when changing styles.

After you've changed styles, you can still format directly just like before. This is why this bug is not really related to 38194, which increases the visibility of "persistent style state", so to speak.

The checkbox would say something like: "Clear direct formatting when applying this style".

(In reply to Eyal Rozenberg from comment #5)
> "Clear direct formatting when applying this style".

Yes, that's the right implementation from the UI POV. But I still disagree with it as you have many ways to apply a style and it would be not clear what style has the flag and kills your direct formatting. It solves one minor problem (ctrl+m is just a keypress away) and introduces a much bigger (no feedback when ctrl+m is executed automatically). That's why I still vote for NAB.

(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #6)
> I still disagree
> with it as you have many ways to apply a style and it would be not clear
> what style has the flag and kills your direct formatting. 

If no style provided by Libreoffice has this as a default - then you only get this behavior if you specifically asked for it.

> It solves one minor problem (ctrl+m is just a keypress away) 

Ah, but it's just pressing Ctrl+m - it's selecting the entire paragraph and pressing Ctrl+m. And the change may be subtle, e.g. change in vertical space above/before the paragraph.

To make things more complicated, simply clearing all direct formatting isn't what you want. You certainly do not want to clear all direct formatting like Ctrl+M when applying cascaded hierarchical styles styles, but only the formattings that will be set by the to be applied style hierarchy.

(In reply to Eike Rathke from comment #8)
> To make things more complicated, simply clearing all direct formatting isn't
> what you want. You certainly do not want to clear all direct formatting like
> Ctrl+M when applying cascaded hierarchical styles styles,

What do you mean by "cascaded hierarchical styles" ? I'm just a applying a paragraph style to a paragraph, that's all. Ok, styles are hierarchical and cascaded in a sense, i.e. each style is based on some other style except for the Default Style, but I don't think that matters here.

> but only the
> formattings that will be set by the to be applied style hierarchy.

Why? No. I want all direct formatting of that paragraph to vanish. Wipe the slate clear. At most I'm willing to accept applications of Character Style.

This is still an issue.

Still an issue with:

Version: 24.2.0.0.alpha0+ (X86_64) / LibreOffice Community
Build ID: f8e591ab9182e0a61c4ae5b8f77b166fcaeaa877
CPU threads: 4; OS: Linux 6.4; UI render: default; VCL: gtk3
Locale: he-IL (en_IL); UI: en-US