Bug 129200 - UI: Page sidebar: "Same Content" on header/footer sections is absolutely illogical
Summary: UI: Page sidebar: "Same Content" on header/footer sections is absolutely illo...
Status: NEW
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Product: LibreOffice
Classification: Unclassified
Component: Writer (show other bugs)
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Blocks: Writer-Header-Footer Sidebar
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Reported: 2019-12-05 06:35 UTC by Mike Kaganski
Modified: 2021-11-05 15:44 UTC (History)
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Description Mike Kaganski 2019-12-05 06:35:58 UTC
Page sidebar in Writer has "Same Content" dropdown, with the following elements: "All Pages"; "First Page"; "Left and Right Pages"; "First, Left and Right Pages".

These are expected to mean that e.g. "First Page" is first page is *different*. But how could one possibly read "Same Content: First Page" as "Different content on first page"?! Or how could one read "Same Content: First, Left and Right Pages", and see the difference with "Same Content: All" - and again, understand that the former means "different content on the listed categories"?

The wording of the control needs to be changed.
Simple proposal: change "Same Content" to "Different Content", and "All" to "None". But possibly better not try to over-simplify the UI (that dreaded "by all means, try to squeeze everything into one line!!!") and just make a checkbox group with possibility to choose what has own content.
Comment 1 Dieter 2019-12-05 12:55:28 UTC
I confirm, that it the current wording is confusing. But every solution should be in line with header dialog there are only two options with checkboxes: Same content left and right and same content first page. For me those checkboxes are easy to understand. So I go with Mike's propsal to use checkboxes also in the sidebar. As the header dialog shows two checkboxes are enough.

Additional information: It seems to me, that - if you change setting in the header dialog, there is no change in the page sidebar (or perhaps I don't understand settings of the sidebar).
Comment 2 Heiko Tietze 2019-12-06 08:05:15 UTC
How about "Position: [Same on all pages][First page different][Left/Right different][First, left/right different]". But actually the implementation per checkbox as in the page dialog is more straightforward and easier to understand.
Comment 3 Mike Kaganski 2019-12-06 08:07:00 UTC
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #2)
> How about "Position: 

If at all, then not "Position", but "Content" (it's not about positions of the header/footer, but its content)
Comment 4 Dieter 2019-12-06 09:12:50 UTC
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #2)
> But actually the implementation
> per checkbox as in the page dialog is more straightforward and easier to
> understand.

I agree. It shouldn't be different from page dialog, because that's a potential source of confusion. And of course - as Mike already remarked - "context" is correct wording.
Comment 5 Heiko Tietze 2019-12-12 13:41:01 UTC
So let's do it in the same way as on the page dialog.
Comment 6 Dieter 2021-11-05 15:44:18 UTC
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #5)
> So let's do it in the same way as on the page dialog.

I had again a look at it with
Version: 7.2.2.2 (x64) / LibreOffice Community
Build ID: 02b2acce88a210515b4a5bb2e46cbfb63fe97d56
CPU threads: 4; OS: Windows 10.0 Build 19043; UI render: Skia/Raster; VCL: win
Locale: de-DE (de_DE); UI: en-GB
Calc: CL

Sidebar -> Page tab -> Header/Footer
Same content [All Pages], [First Page], [Left and Right Pages], [First, Left and Right Pages]

Format -> Page Style -> Header/Footer
Same content on left and right pages
Same content on first page

So to be in line with comment 5 from Heiko, there should be two checkboxes in
Sidebar -> Page tab -> Header/Footer
Same content on left and right pages
Same content on first page