Bug 130496 - Implement a PIM as a replacement for Outlook
Summary: Implement a PIM as a replacement for Outlook
Status: RESOLVED DUPLICATE of bug 96192
Alias: None
Product: LibreOffice
Classification: Unclassified
Component: LibreOffice (show other bugs)
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(earliest affected)
unspecified
Hardware: All All
: medium enhancement
Assignee: Not Assigned
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Keywords: needsUXEval
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Reported: 2020-02-06 22:00 UTC by Randy
Modified: 2021-09-03 13:30 UTC (History)
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Description Randy 2020-02-06 22:00:25 UTC
I really like Libre Office and would switch to it completely if it had an equivalent component to replace Outlook (email, calendar, tasks, contacts, notes, etc... The designers and developers of LO are obviously bright, talented people. Creating a replacement for Outlook can't be that difficult for you guys and gals. So Please, do us all a favor and create it.

Thanx,
Randy
Comment 1 Julien Nabet 2020-02-07 07:58:33 UTC
Just my opinion but there is already too much to do for adding another big part.
So I'd put WONTFIX or INVALID but I let others speak.
Comment 2 Kevin Suo 2020-02-08 07:01:08 UTC
This is LibreOffice's bug tracker, and the issue you have reported here is apparently not a bug.

Also, you wish LibreOffice to be powerful, with many features as MSO. I believe so - LO would be very powerful in the future, with the help of the community. But for bug reports, one issue per ticket and report the issues which are really bugs, otherwise the bug tracker would be in a mass and the QA people would be of great pain.
Comment 3 Randy 2020-02-09 20:13:57 UTC
This is really cute... I originally posted this in the User forums, where it was closed as "not a question" and I was instructed to come post it here.  Which seemed like a rather stupid place to post feature requests...  but I did as instructed.  Now it's being closed as "NotABug".  Really?  This is how Libre Office handles requests they don't want the Community to see or support???  This is B.S.!
Comment 4 Kevin Suo 2020-02-10 09:00:41 UTC
Randy: 
I really really hate people being so aggressively rude - Would you please mind your word when typing on the web? Did your mom taught you how to communicate with others? To respond to your rude words, I would just say 操你大爷的。

To the specific question you have raised, what you have said = you said nothing. I appreciate your wishing LO to be better, but in my opinion your idea is as broad as "LO will be as good as XXX  if it has all the features of XXX". You can do this in a chat room, in your blog post, and someone may support you while others may oppose of - but here on bugzilla, it's not a discussion list. All bugs filed here need to be evaluated in a proper way, if it make sense, then mark as NEW and let the devs to fix, and if not a bug, should be closed in time. Otherwise the whole process will be in a mass.

I closed your bug as NOTABUG because your request is not a valid request, it contains many feature requests while none is specific. One feature should go to one single bug report yo make sure it be implemented properly.

If you disagree, we can discuss, but stop being rude, otherwise I will surely fight back!

I mark this back as UNCONFIMED and add keyword needsUXEval.
Comment 5 V Stuart Foote 2020-02-10 15:15:29 UTC
Clearly out of scope of LibreOffice. Discussed at various times back to StarOffice era.

http://document-foundation-mail-archive.969070.n3.nabble.com/MS-Outlook-td3746229.html#a3770801

http://document-foundation-mail-archive.969070.n3.nabble.com/Adding-the-browser-to-Libreoffice-td4017558.html

*** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 96192 ***
Comment 6 Randy 2020-02-10 17:53:24 UTC
Kevin:  I agree with you that this isn't a bug.  Unfortunately, when you click on "File an Enhancement Request", this is where it sends you.  If you post an Enhancement Request in the "Ask" section (as I did) they CLOSE it and tell you to post it here... and then when you do, someone tries to close it because it's not a "bug".  Not cool.

If you don't want people getting frustrated and being "rude" then it seems rather obvious that LO SHOULD have an area in the User Forums for Feature\Enhancement requests.  Where users can up vote and\or down vote them.  It would help LO see what their user think is important.

As a software developer, I often recommend my clients to check out Libre Office.  When they do, the first objection I hear is that it doesn't have an Outlook like module.  LO does a great job of providing a replacement for everything else in the MS Office Suite, so why would they stop short with the Outlook part?  

As someone pointed out in one of the "bugs" you marked this as a duplicate of, Most businesses want a COMPLETE replacement if they are going to switch a software package.  Integration, single line of support, and simply ease of use is important to them.  I'm trying to help LO by letting you know what my clients have told me.  They don't see LO as being a complete replacement for MS Office because of the lack of the Outlook module.

Finally, when my customers ask for an enhancement to my software, I don't tell them that that is not a "bug" and send them somewhere else.  Usually I view it as, if this important to them, it will probably be important to other potential customers... and I usually add the new functionality they are asking for.  Apparently, an Outlook like module is something that LO users have asked for repeatedly...  maybe LO should seriously consider it.
Comment 7 V Stuart Foote 2020-02-10 18:30:41 UTC
This is a valid enhancement request but is a duplicate of bug 96192 -- also a valid enhancement request for PIM substitute for Outlook as PIM and e-mail client.

The correct resolution again here is WONTFIX

Based on prior ESC/dev & UX-Advise discussions (including actions from the OOo era when the StarOffice email client & calendaring was removed). Enhancement was out of scope for OpenOffice.org and remains so for LibreOffice.

BZ QA sidebar: while comments on an issue made in duplicates often expand or clarify things, QA closing as a duplicate keeps the relevant BZ linkage.  Alternatively we may designate one issue as a META to link related requests.

*** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 96192 ***
Comment 8 Kevin Suo 2020-02-11 00:47:57 UTC
(In reply to Randy from comment #6)

 I think what you need alongside of LibreOffice is Thunderbird, which is an opensource email client and provide calendar, task, adressbook functionalities.

Actually I think MSO's outlook function is also a separate part.
Comment 9 Randy 2020-02-11 03:59:02 UTC
Outlook is one component of the MS Office Suite.  No more "separate" than Word is separate from Excel or Power Point.  

While I understand there are other open source Outlook like products available, I and many businesses would prefer to have a Complete Integrated Suite from a single vendor.  There are other open source word processors, spreadsheet programs, database programs, etc...  But I'd rather have a complete suite from LO than a bunch of separate, incompatible programs.  

Maybe there's some reason LO doesn't want to compete with Thunderbird, I don't know.  But I think LO would gain a lot more users if they included an Outlook like module in their suite.  I'm really curious as to why LO doesn't want to do that?  It can't be any harder than the other components they've done.  It just doesn't make any sense.
Comment 10 Heiko Tietze 2020-02-18 11:57:00 UTC
(In reply to Randy from comment #6)
> LO does a great job of providing a replacement for
> everything else in the MS Office Suite, so why would they stop short with
> the Outlook part?  

Office applications:

    Outlook
    OneDrive
    Word
    Excel
    PowerPoint
    OneNote
    SharePoint
    Microsoft Teams

Office365 products:

    Access (PC only)
    Bookings
    Exchange
    MilelQ

    MyAnalytics
    Planner
    PowerApps
    Power BI

    Project
    Publisher (PC only)
    Skype for Business Server
    Stream

    Sway
    To Do
    Visio
    Whiteboard
    Yammer


We clearly do not want to compete on all areas. And ultimately it's a business decision what software you bundle. Microsoft sells products to customers with the goal to dominate the market in all areas.

So I agree with out of scope.
Comment 11 Randy 2020-02-21 20:51:08 UTC
Microsoft Office Professional 2019:
Word, Excel, PowerPoint, Access, Publisher, OneNote, Outlook

Libre Office 2019:
Writer, Calc, Impress, Base, Draw, Charts


While LO doesn't have a DIRECT counter part to Publisher or One Note, I think a user can accomplish most of the same basic tasks using other components of LO.  

The one thing they LO has NO OPTION FOR is the functionality of Outlook.  Email, Calendar, Notes, Tasks, et...  

As I've stated repeatedly, considering the applications that LO has written, creating a counterpart to Outlook can't be that difficult and would basically "complete" the LO suite to match MS Office Professional... Something your users have asked for REPEATEDLY  



As for all of the other products under Office365, no one is asking LO to match all of those.