Currently the possibility of creating covers is limited to only two styles. The idea is that any style can be used (especially custom styles).
Steps to Reproduce:
1.Clic Menu Format
2. Title Page
3. Style Page -> Style combobox
Can select only First Page or Default Page Style
Extend the number of page styles to custom styles or don't limit. Maybe be able to use the first page as a cover (regardless of style)
User Profile Reset: Yes
Thanks for the enhancement request. I don't see the use case, since you can customize style "First Page". And the title page is the first page of your document. So you won't use that style somewhere else.
Could you pleaae explain, why the current situation isn't sufficient?
So there is a very serious problem with the help and/or with the clarity of the functioning of the dialog box because it is not what is understood or it is not working.
I would suggest asking users about this because the truth is that it is not understood that way. Don't ask the developers because obviously they will know how to make it work.
Either way, the reason for limiting to just two styles is not understood. It wouldn't hurt to release all styles and have the user handle this as they please.
There is something wrong with the operation:
I apply the "Portada" style (custom style page) to the first page. Then I apply the cover without modifying options... The first page is changed to the "Default page style" style!
But, according to the help, to eliminate the Title Page I must apply another style. So, if I apply the "Portada" style again, it will have been useless.
Why don't I use the "First Page" style? Because I give it another use in my documents because the name is already in use.
So I suggest not limiting styles.
The requested option/use case is supported now. User has complete control of LO and ODF style applied or saved to document.
The 'default' template provides needed style frame work of 'First Page', up to user to modify style to needs--and if reuse is required, to save out to new ODF template or directly into a Master Document.
TDF documentation provides more comprehensive help in the Writer guide: chpt 8.,
Or Bruce Byfield's "Designing with LibreOffice" book is exceptional:
(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #4)
> The requested option/use case is supported now. User has complete control of
> LO and ODF style applied or saved to document.
> The 'default' template provides needed style frame work of 'First Page', up
> to user to modify style to needs--and if reuse is required, to save out to
> new ODF template or directly into a Master Document.
> TDF documentation provides more comprehensive help in the Writer guide: chpt
> Or Bruce Byfield's "Designing with LibreOffice" book is exceptional:
How does this relate to what is stated?
It seems that he was with people with problems interpreting texts.
(In reply to Leandro Martín Drudi from comment #5)
> How does this relate to what is stated?
> It seems that he was with people with problems interpreting texts.
The bug summary is "Give option to add custom page styles" -- that already exists. If you want your own custom page style for your Title pages build it, and hold it in a template document!
RTFM! Links provided...
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If I add a page style called "I want this page as Title Page because I am a User and I want it that way", it does not appear as an option in the list. And it's also a custom page.
I insist. Limiting to just two styles is a bit arbitrary and limiting for users.
Also, I don't understand why instead of being called "First page" it is not called "Title page". It is much more descriptive and leaves "First page" to be used together with "Left page" and Right page" in a continuous sequence FP-LP-RP-LP-RP...
Think of it like this (and try it): you have developed the document with that sequence and then, you decided to insert the an Title Page (because you wanted to, because it is customary, because you are a User). With the current method, if you insert the cover the FP style will be applied, and if you apply a different style, that style will be applied to the Title Page and the first page with content.
(In the attached document, I have the example). Insert the Title Page and then apply the "Cover Page" page style to the cover.
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sample odt with a new title page style because you asked
sample with your new custom page style, attached
please read the manual(s), or use the ask.libreoffice.org resource if you need more guided assistance with usage.
The range of page style provided in default 'standard' template is sufficient.
remains => NAB
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sample odt with a new title page style because you asked
sorry, noticed I clobbered the first page when I applied the new page style at the page insert, this version resets it keeping the new title page style.
If you insert the Title Page without modifying any option, the first page of the document changes to the "First page" style. And if you apply the originally chosen style again, the first page is removed as Title Page.
In any case, I notice that there is no interest in doing things better, adapting them to the user. They follow the same line of Microsoft Office that only did what they thought was useful. But now, with the feedback they ask the User, it goes along with the needs.
The losers are you. I will not use LibreOffice again. I don't feel heard.
(In reply to Leandro Martín Drudi from comment #11)
You are heard, but please don't blame the community (devs, designers, QA, users) for your apparent inability to use the help and documentation learn to correctly use the software.
Sorry to see you go, project will be here should you come back.
That help leaves a lot to be desired. It is outdated (almost even abandoned), it is contradictory, many of the things they give to do no longer work or do not work as described, finding what one is looking for is difficult because it is imprecise in the results (although it has improved lately. It happens the same as with Linux: it is managed by the developer's ego and not by what the User needs.
I have unpopular opinions. But I do not remain silent unlike many others who find problems and return to Microsoft Office, as from today I do too.
Just as opportunely I stopped contributing financially because I did not see progress in reports from many years ago, and the problem continues to recur dragged from OpenOffice, from now on I stop contributing reports because I stop using LibreOffice.
(In reply to Leandro Martín Drudi from comment #13)
> That help leaves a lot to be desired. It is outdated (almost even
> abandoned), it is contradictory, many of the things they give to do no
> longer work or do not work as described, finding what one is looking for is
> difficult because it is imprecise in the results (although it has improved
> lately. It happens the same as with Linux: it is managed by the developer's
> ego and not by what the User needs.
Yes agree, there are inadequacies in the built-in or online Help system. But those help snippets and tooltips are intended to be lightweight. For more comprehensive explanations of particular features or work flows the Documentation team publishes and updates some very good user manuals. Also, community users write some very good blogs and user manuals. I provided links to both types.
And, as noted the ask.libreoffice.org, the User mail-list, and various contributed blogs (planet.documentfoundation.org) supplement both the Help system and the published documentation.
You the user have to take responsibility for exploring the tools provided before asking for additional features and designs that bloat the software and impose maintenance burden on the project.
The community is here to help you with that. There is no malice toward meeting your needs, simply this Bugzilla issue tracker is not intended as a substitute help forum.
The worst thing I find in your suggestion is that, in the age of immediacy, you ask me to consult in a forum and delay my work for a few hours (hopefully, because many times I have received a response days later).
That's why LibreOffice is where it is while Microsoft Office continues to dominate the market. So Linux is where it is and Windows is where it is on the market.
If they do not keep up with the 21st century, they will continue with an interface from the 90s, an efficiency from the year 2000 and a problem from the 18th century.
(In reply to Leandro Martín Drudi from comment #0)
> Expected Results:
> Extend the number of page styles to custom styles or don't limit. Maybe be
> able to use the first page as a cover (regardless of style)
(In reply to Dieter from comment #1)
> I don't see the use case, since you can customize style "First Page".
(In reply to Leandro Martín Drudi from comment #2)
> So there is a very serious problem with the help...
Reads pretty much as "not a bug" to me. Your comments are read by many people (CC ux-advice) and if you make a point you may get support. Another option in case you disagree with the resolution is to reopen the ticket.