Bug 135410 - UI: Settings for 'Printer" or 'Print to file" should be drop down box (or something else) instead of radio button
Summary: UI: Settings for 'Printer" or 'Print to file" should be drop down box (or som...
Status: NEW
Alias: None
Product: LibreOffice
Classification: Unclassified
Component: UI (show other bugs)
Version:
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7.1.0.0.alpha0+
Hardware: All All
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Reported: 2020-08-03 10:21 UTC by Telesto
Modified: 2020-08-14 08:52 UTC (History)
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Description Telesto 2020-08-03 10:21:46 UTC
Description:
UI: Settings for 'Printer" or 'Print to file" should be drop down box (or something else) instead of radio button

Steps to Reproduce:
1. Open Writer
2. Tools -> Options -> Print

Actual Results:
You can set settings for "Print" and "Print to file" separately in the same dialog by picking the 'item by radio button'

Expected Results:
Radio button looks are normal setting; not a switch between to set settings for to different types of 'print'


Reproducible: Always


User Profile Reset: No



Additional Info:
Version: 7.1.0.0.alpha0+ (x64)
Build ID: <buildversion>
CPU threads: 4; OS: Windows 6.3 Build 9600; UI render: Skia/Raster; VCL: win
Locale: ru-RU (nl_NL); UI: en-US
Calc: CL
Comment 1 Heiko Tietze 2020-08-03 13:52:22 UTC
It's not so uncommon to have "Print to File" together with the actual printers (and it's kind of obsolete with all the export to PDF options). Besides, we need all space and adding a radio button for this is going the wrong direction. => NAB/WF.
Comment 2 Telesto 2020-08-03 19:31:35 UTC
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #1)
> It's not so uncommon to have "Print to File" together with the actual
> printers (and it's kind of obsolete with all the export to PDF options).
> Besides, we need all space and adding a radio button for this is going the
> wrong direction. => NAB/WF.

That was surely not my point :-). Fine with both options in one dialog. Never pretended otherwise. 

There are two problems IMHO
1) The usage of the radio button way (to make it possible to set settings for either Printer or Print to file is atypical usage of radio button (on Windows, as far I know). And the radio button is even not used this way in LibreOffice that often. I'm more used to a drop down box. With disadvantage of 'hiding' to printer from sight

2) There is no visual supporting effect when picking one of both. So you don't notice you're in a 'different' dialog. Th


Yes, advantage of a radio button is both options are visible from the start. However it's but atypical usage of radio button (on Windows, as far I know). And not even the most common why used on LibreOffice either. 

Yes, it's surely a detail :-).

And show you surprising my every time :-). I often get a feeling of some kind of a "Reality distortion field"; I'm talking about A and I get not B or even C but Z. What the heck.
Comment 3 Mike Kaganski 2020-08-03 19:45:13 UTC
Hmm... I dislike both ways. One is the "Options->LibreOffice->Print" raised here, where the radio button is indeed used incorrectly: radio button designates one of a set of mutually exclusive options, and having it on the page looks as if one may only set up one set of options: e.g., either for Printer, or for Print to file, but not both (while in reality, the page is exactly to configure both, each set is configured when the relevant radio button is active).

However, the crop down box - as seen on Options->Load/Save->General, in "Document Type" that controls the "Always Save As" below, is also confusing, and does not suggest users that each of its position corresponds to relevant setting. I remember multiple questions of users like "I had set up format for text document, but how do I set up format for spreadsheet documents?"

In case of the simple options like "Document Type", it could be useful to use the conception like Application Colors has, with a list box with entries and corresponding drop down lists in each line. But for the print settings discussed here in this bug, a tabbed interface fits much better, with two tabs - for Printer, and for Print to File.
Comment 4 Telesto 2020-08-03 20:32:34 UTC
(In reply to Mike Kaganski from comment #3)
> In case of the simple options like "Document Type", it could be useful to
> use the conception like Application Colors has, with a list box with entries
> and corresponding drop down lists in each line. But for the print settings
> discussed here in this bug, a tabbed interface fits much better, with two
> tabs - for Printer, and for Print to File.

Why didn't I think of that ;-)
Comment 5 Heiko Tietze 2020-08-04 08:12:58 UTC
Stupid me, argued having the print dialog in mind where switching between printers and print to file is done per dropdown. But this is about Tools > Options > Print!

Switching to Print to File disables the "PDF as standard" checkbox, switches Reduce bitmaps/gradients on, transparency off, How about just removing the radio buttons? Is the use case to have of frequently switching between print on paper and print on file with different settings relevant enough to maintain this? The alternative is to change the settings in the print dialog.
Comment 6 Heiko Tietze 2020-08-14 08:52:20 UTC
Discussed this in the design meeting. Still believe we don't need extra options. Users typically don't print to file but export to PDF and it's unclear whether this applies to both.