Bug 137752 - Paragraph indent is limited
Summary: Paragraph indent is limited
Status: NEW
Alias: None
Product: LibreOffice
Classification: Unclassified
Component: Writer (show other bugs)
Version:
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6.4.7.2 release
Hardware: x86 (IA32) Windows (All)
: medium normal
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Blocks: Paragraph-Indent
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Reported: 2020-10-26 02:44 UTC by John
Modified: 2025-01-15 00:48 UTC (History)
3 users (show)

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Description John 2020-10-26 02:44:00 UTC 
Description:
Open a new document from a default template. 

Modify the Text Body style so that it will be indented by 21 cm. (Indents & Spacing > Before text = 21).

Click the Apply button to apply changes. Notice that 21 was changed to 20.5.

You may say that there is no need to have indents more that 20.5 cm on a A4 or Letter page, but the size of the page is actually doesn't matter.

You could change the size of the page to A3 or even A2 (both of them are very large) and observe the same behavior.

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Tested with

Version: 6.4.7.2 (x86)
Build ID: 639b8ac485750d5696d7590a72ef1b496725cfb5
CPU threads: 4; OS: Windows 6.1 Service Pack 1 Build 7601; UI render: default; VCL: win; 
Locale: en-US (en_US); UI-Language: en-US
Calc: threaded

and

Version: 7.0.2.2 (x86)
Build ID: 8349ace3c3162073abd90d81fd06dcfb6b36b994
CPU threads: 4; OS: Windows 6.1 Service Pack 1 Build 7601; UI render: Skia/Raster; VCL: win
Locale: en-US (en_US); UI: en-US
Calc: threaded

Steps to Reproduce:
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Actual Results:
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Expected Results:
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Reproducible: Always


User Profile Reset: Yes



Additional Info:
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Comment 1 Dieter 2020-11-10 08:04:57 UTC 
Steps to reproduce
1. Open new document
2. Format => Page Style => Change to A3
3. Change paragrah indent to 23 cm

Result:
Paragraph indent changes to 17,09 cm and it is impossible to increase it (same with landscape orientation

Expected result:
soemthing different

c: Design-Team for further input about expected result


Version: 7.0.3.1 (x64)
Build ID: d7547858d014d4cf69878db179d326fc3483e082
CPU threads: 4; OS: Windows 10.0 Build 19042; UI render: Skia/Raster; VCL: win
Locale: de-DE (de_DE); UI: en-GB
Calc: threaded
Comment 2 Heiko Tietze 2020-11-10 09:16:27 UTC 
Mike, any technical limit for the indentation?
Comment 3 Mike Kaganski 2020-11-10 09:37:18 UTC 
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #2)

I don't think there's a technical limitation here. When you do that direct paragraph formatting, it works as intended. (By the way, comment 1 is incorrect; it tells about normal paragraph properties, and that works fine: e.g., I set page to A3 Landscape (420 mm width, 20 mm margins left and right => 380 mm text area width), and set paragraph "from left" spacing to 400 mm => it shrinks to 375 mm, making sure there's 5 mm left for the text).

But it seems it tries to be "helpful"/"smart", not allowing you to produce a *style* (so it doesn't know what page you intend) with indentation that would make no sense for "standard" page size (A4 in many locales)...

Generally there's no way to ensure that any value there makes sense. E.g., you could make your page A5, and then the "helpful" limit would blow. Or you could use direct paragraph formatting, and make sure that your A3 is followed by A4, so the text using those paragraphs with 375 mm indentation flows there and blows. Or you may use different margins. Or ...

I suppose that to be a bug. The "helpful" "feature" is not bulletproof to justify its existence; and it's unhelpful for those who use non-default pages. I confirm it.
Comment 4 Dieter 2020-11-10 10:58:24 UTC 
(In reply to Mike Kaganski from comment #3)
> By the way, comment 1 is
> incorrect; it tells about normal paragraph properties, and that works fine:

It works with Format A3 and landscape and Format => Paragraph => Indents & Spacing, but it doesn't work with properties in sidebar (I only tested this).
Comment 5 Mike Kaganski 2020-11-10 10:59:29 UTC 
(In reply to Dieter from comment #4)
> (In reply to Mike Kaganski from comment #3)
> > By the way, comment 1 is
> > incorrect; it tells about normal paragraph properties, and that works fine:
> 
> It works with Format A3 and landscape and Format => Paragraph => Indents &
> Spacing, but it doesn't work with properties in sidebar (I only tested this).

Heh, interesting - that would be a different bug, please file :-)
Comment 6 Heiko Tietze 2020-11-10 11:52:58 UTC 
(In reply to Mike Kaganski from comment #3)
> I suppose that to be a bug. The "helpful" "feature" is not bulletproof to
> justify its existence; and it's unhelpful for those who use non-default
> pages. I confirm it.

Sounds reasonable, let's make it dumb.
Comment 7 Dieter 2021-02-02 21:13:46 UTC 
(In reply to Mike Kaganski from comment #5)
> Heh, interesting - that would be a different bug, please file :-)
Bug 140109
Comment 8 QA Administrators 2023-02-03 03:22:22 UTC Comment hidden (obsolete)
Comment 9 Dieter 2023-02-03 14:37:15 UTC 
Still present in

Version: 7.6.0.0.alpha0+ (X86_64) / LibreOffice Community
Build ID: 1c638b7ac46d8077994c8483e6becc4a33efd12b
CPU threads: 4; OS: Windows 10.0 Build 19045; UI render: Skia/Raster; VCL: win
Locale: en-US (de_DE); UI: en-GB
Calc: CL threaded
Comment 10 viktoriia.strekalovskaia 2025-01-15 00:48:49 UTC 
 I can confirm that the bug is present in

Version: 24.8.4.2 (AARCH64) / LibreOffice Community
Build ID: bb3cfa12c7b1bf994ecc5649a80400d06cd71002
CPU threads: 8; OS: macOS 14.5; UI render: Skia/Metal; VCL: osx

only number is changed to 17,09