Bug 139473 - FILEEXPORT XLS/XLXS: Font changes from Liberation Sans to Arial
Summary: FILEEXPORT XLS/XLXS: Font changes from Liberation Sans to Arial
Status: RESOLVED DUPLICATE of bug 113685
Alias: None
Product: LibreOffice
Classification: Unclassified
Component: Calc (show other bugs)
Version:
(earliest affected)
Inherited From OOo
Hardware: All All
: medium normal
Assignee: Not Assigned
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Keywords: needsUXEval
Depends on:
Blocks:
 
Reported: 2021-01-07 15:18 UTC by Telesto
Modified: 2021-01-13 15:01 UTC (History)
2 users (show)

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Attachments
Example file (8.17 KB, application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.spreadsheet)
2021-01-07 15:19 UTC, Telesto
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Description Telesto 2021-01-07 15:18:53 UTC
Description:
FILEEXPORT XLS: Font changes from Liberation Sans to Arial

Steps to Reproduce:
1. Open the attached file
2. Save as XLS
3. File reload

Actual Results:
Arial

Expected Results:
Liberation Sans


Reproducible: Always


User Profile Reset: No



Additional Info:
Found in
Version: 7.2.0.0.alpha0+ (x64)
Build ID: 4e3ce9dd6ace0b22f7b3f45cf2338b201f4dc305
CPU threads: 4; OS: Windows 6.3 Build 9600; UI render: default; VCL: win
Locale: nl-NL (nl_NL); UI: en-US
Calc: CL

and in
Versie: 4.4.7.2 
Build ID: f3153a8b245191196a4b6b9abd1d0da16eead600
Locale: nl_NL
Comment 1 Telesto 2021-01-07 15:19:06 UTC
Created attachment 168746 [details]
Example file
Comment 2 Telesto 2021-01-07 15:20:39 UTC
And in
Versie 4.0.0.3 (Bouw-id: 7545bee9c2a0782548772a21bc84a9dcc583b89)
Comment 3 Telesto 2021-01-07 15:24:24 UTC
Bug or feature.. I call it a bug.. as Excel capable to save 'Liberation Sans'
Comment 4 Aron Budea 2021-01-07 16:49:05 UTC
(In reply to Telesto from comment #3)
> Bug or feature.. I call it a bug.. as Excel capable to save 'Liberation Sans'
Yes, but where people have Excel installed, they don't often have LibreOffice, and thus Liberation Sans.

*** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 113685 ***
Comment 5 Telesto 2021-01-07 18:48:13 UTC
(In reply to Aron Budea from comment #4)
> (In reply to Telesto from comment #3)
> > Bug or feature.. I call it a bug.. as Excel capable to save 'Liberation Sans'
> Yes, but where people have Excel installed, they don't often have
> LibreOffice, and thus Liberation Sans.
> 
> *** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 113685 ***

Even though I understand why this being done, things being wrong about it:
(A) It's done with user permission
(B) (t's assumed as general rule (losing control)
(C) This is a kind of user responsibility, IMHO
(D) I'm unaware of this happening in Writer (and same argument can be made) 
(E) you make assumptions of what the user wants.
(F) There is no way to opt out
(G) It's pretty inconsistent.. It's only valid this font (or number of fonts)

I personally see this as the undesired solution for the issue. And I'm some point I start even starting using Mike argument. LibreOffice isn't MSO :P

Other options would be
(A) Set it to Arial; but think this is a no go
(B) Make it an save option; convert font for capability
(C) Put some setting in options if this should happen or not. I even consider it being disabled by default (out of principle)

And I make a configuration screen where you can set specifics (or setup wizard).. Same said about auto-correct. All sorts settings (features) are assumed to be 'good' for everyone.. while I having my doubts.

There is always reasonable sized group hit by the so called feature. And assumptions made. Which creates undesired effects.

Instead of arbitrary making assumptions about way to many user groups, maybe wise to simply ask. Instead of throwing all sorts of things on them without explicit consent.
You can still fill in the 'defaults' which should be good for average.. But at least people being aware those settings being around (and can be changed)

Nudge + consent is better compared to patronizing we know what's good for you, IMHO. People don't want to be told .. the want to choose. 
And you get rid of those 'arbitrary' choice and the angry mob at losers side. 

NotePad++ and UltraEdit have all sorts of templates to target specific groups.
LibreOffice Writer Normal Assistance/Support, Minimum support, Advanced (manual configuration)..
Comment 6 Heiko Tietze 2021-01-13 15:01:40 UTC
(In reply to Telesto from comment #5)
> Even though I understand why this being done, things being wrong about it...

Since this bug report is a duplicate your concerns are better suited at the other ticket.