Description: The tip of the day number 106 (I wish there was a universal permanent way to point at them) is very vague and is practically useless. It reads: > Citation management? Use a 3rd party extension. Not that it grammatically is wrong, it is lacking the most important information: "what?" I propose adding at least one 3rd-party Citation manager to the text to clarify to user what you mean. For instance the text can be altered to: > Need to do citation? You can use 3rd-party citation managers such as Zotero The reasons I wrote Zotero are: - it is Free and Libre Opensource Software - user own the data and until Mendeley it is not stored in some sort of cryptic database Steps to Reproduce: 1. open LibreOffice 2. press Next Tip button enough times to get to tip number 106/223 Actual Results: > Citation management? Use a 3rd party extension. Expected Results: > Need to do citation? You can use 3rd-party citation managers such as Zotero Reproducible: Always User Profile Reset: No Additional Info: NOT APPLICABLE
Created attachment 179763 [details] TipOfTheDay106 This is what I see for this TipOfTheDay
Heiko, it seems reasonable for me. What about you?
Until LibreOffice includes support by default, I think it is good to let users know that citation management is possible with 3rd party extension. I think that the wording could be changed, however. I think it should read: "You can use 3rd party extensions to manage citations" or something like that.
OTOH it's convenient for the user to get a recommendation but on the other we advertise freedom of choice. Let me process this through the ESC.
No objection at the ESC. Proposal but no requisite is to go with two options, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_reference_management_software - or maybe just forward to this list? Code pointer: cui/inc/tipoftheday.hrc
> we advertise freedom of choice. Suggesting FLOSS to people does not limit their choice. They can still use any proprietary tool under the sun (e.g Mendeley, RefWorks, EndNotes), but it is good to tell people that FLOSS tools do exist that does the same exact job (and even better). > Let me process this through the ESC. I'm not familiar with "ESC" acronym. Would you please clarify what does it stand for. > Proposal but no requisite is to go with two options The only viable options are Zoreto and Jabref. I have used both and JebRef seems to be good for those who only care about the citation and does not care much about keeping a record of the article itself. As far as I understand, Jabref is basically a very good front-end to a .bib file (in Zotero, user can highlight PDF, create notes and etc.). Regardless, if you would like to mention/suggest two FLOSS tools, Zoreto and Jabref are the most ideal. Sending people to Wikipedia is good, and it can also be added to aside Zoreto and Jabref. In the paragraph above, I used the term "viable" because of the following reasons: 1. Both software are actively under development 2. Both are cross-platform 3. Both are FLOSS (Free and Libre OpenSource Software) 4. Both have browser extensions 5. In both, the user owns their data and they can choose if they want to put it on the cloud or not.
(In reply to Mehrad Mahmoudian from comment #6) > I'm not familiar with "ESC" acronym. Would you please clarify what does it > stand for. Engineering Steering Committee, see https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/ESC
The important topics around LibreOffice code is discussed in the weekly ESC call, where LibreOffice experts are present. This is the summary of the discussion from the minutes of yesterday's ESC call: -> + The tip of the day 106/223 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148777 + "Citation management? Use a 3rd party extension." -> "Need to do citation? You can use 3rd-party citation managers such as Zotero." + perhaps advertise 2 of these, not just Zotero? (Miklos) + what is the bibliography status in Word? (Hossein) + you could do such a research (Miklos) + no objections (all) The full minutes should appear in the developer mailing list archive soon: https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/
@Heiko Tietze > Engineering Steering Committee, see https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/ESC Thanks for the info. @Hossein > The important topics around LibreOffice code is discussed in the weekly ESC call, where LibreOffice experts are present. Thanks for the info and detailed enough list of the discussion and decision. > perhaps advertise 2 of these, not just Zotero? (Miklos) Just to add some context to the discussion: I don't know how many of you are in academia or working with citation managers, but there are some big names/brands in the game, namely Mendeley, EndNote, RefWorks, and Zotero. Then there are some small names here and there, and of course there is Bibtex format for which there are quite a few frontends. As far as I know, only Zotero and some of the Bibtex frontends are Free and Libre OpenSource Software, and the rest are proprietary. Also Mendeley since 2 years ago has a vendor-locked database. I personally would rather prioritize advertising FLOSS citation managers, but of course a majority of academia unfortunately is heavily dependent on Mendeley, EndNote, and RefWorks (in this particular order at least my circles). Therefore mentioning their name or even providing link to their LibreOffice extension would facilitate the adoption of LibreOffice.
Bogdan B committed a patch related to this issue. It has been pushed to "master": https://git.libreoffice.org/core/commit/5beddf4c66c63cac050b4f32d2756c733c842d6f tdf#148777 Improvement to Tip of the day 106 It will be available in 7.5.0. The patch should be included in the daily builds available at https://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/ in the next 24-48 hours. More information about daily builds can be found at: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Testing_Daily_Builds Affected users are encouraged to test the fix and report feedback.
Fix verified in: Version: 7.5.0.1 (X86_64) / LibreOffice Community Build ID: 77cd3d7ad4445740a0c6cf977992dafd8ebad8df CPU threads: 8; OS: Linux 5.15; UI render: default; VCL: gtk3 Locale: en-AU (en_AU.UTF-8); UI: en-US Calc: threaded Thanks Bogdan!