Description: My review concerns the Polish version: MAKS.K(dane; rząd_K) ≡ LARGE(…; …) and MIN.K() 1. Syntax error – „K” with „rząd_K” ≠ „K” with „MAKS.K”. „K” with „MAKS.K” = K „K” with „rząd_K” = 1, 2, 3... My proposition - rename the function to: MAKS.W() from MAKSymalna Wartość MIN.W() from MINimalna Wartość 2. 2 bugs in feature description MAKS.K() „Zwraca K-tą największą wartość zbioru danych.” 1 – the greatest value is only for K=1, 2 – the dataset has no value. My proposition: „Zwraca wartości ze zbioru danych - od największej (w kolejności określonej przez K).” 3. 2 bugs in feature description MIN.K() My proposition: „Zwraca wartości ze zbioru danych - od najmnieszej (w kolejności określonej przez K).” 4. Unnecessary synonym in the definition „Dane oznaczają zakres komórek zawierających dane.” My proposition: „dane oznaczają zakres komórek zbioru danych.” Steps to Reproduce: 1.It's just an opinion. 2.It's just an opinion. 3.It's just an opinion. Actual Results: It's just an opinion. Expected Results: It's just an opinion. Reproducible: Always User Profile Reset: No Additional Info: It's just an opinion.
Thanks MarkOpen! Let's focus on the first issue in this bug report. Unfortunately, I believe it will be difficult to rename functions, for back-compatibility issues, but I could be wrong. Do you mean that the name of the function is misleading, because people might understand, for example, the formula: MAKS.K(A1:A9; 2) ... as "the 2 highest values in the range A1:A9" instead of "the second highest value in the range A1:A9" ? Regarding your points 2 and 3: - If the descriptions are also wrong in the English-language in-app descriptions, or in the English-language online help, please report a separate issue so that can be fixed there - If the descriptions are right in English but wrong in Polish, you can help by fixing the translation on LibreOffice's Weblate: https://translations.documentfoundation.org/ Thank you!
(In reply to Stéphane Guillou (stragu) from comment #1) > I believe > it will be difficult to rename functions, for back-compatibility issues, but > I could be wrong. Renaming UI translated function names is no problem, stored in documents are the English OpenFormula function names.
(In reply to Stéphane Guillou (stragu) from comment #1) > Thanks MarkOpen! > Let's focus on the first issue in this bug report. Unfortunately, I believe > it will be difficult to rename functions, for back-compatibility issues, but > I could be wrong. > > Do you mean that the name of the function is misleading, because people > might understand, for example, the formula: > > MAKS.K(A1:A9; 2) > > ... as "the 2 highest values in the range A1:A9" instead of "the second > highest value in the range A1:A9" ? > > Regarding your points 2 and 3: > - If the descriptions are also wrong in the English-language in-app > descriptions, or in the English-language online help, please report a > separate issue so that can be fixed there > - If the descriptions are right in English but wrong in Polish, you can help > by fixing the translation on LibreOffice's Weblate: > https://translations.documentfoundation.org/ > > Thank you! Thanks Stéphane Guillou You: „Do you mean that the name of the function is misleading, because people might understand, for example, the formula: MAKS.K(A1:A9; 2) ... as "the 2 highest values in the range A1:A9" instead of "the second highest value in the range A1:A9" ?” I (MarkOpen). No. But that you have to rename the function with the change of K: for K = 2 it must be MAKS.2(A1:A9; 2); for K = 5 it must be MAKS.5(A1:A9; 5). Ad. 2 and 3. In the first sentence I wrote: „My review concerns the Polish version”. I was convinced that I would get contact with the authors of Polish translations in "Help". I tried to contact one of them: Piotr Roszkowski, via LinkedIn. No answer. Thank you!
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Thank you Mark and Eike! Regarding point 1): My opinion is that a localisation that uses the letter "c" for the argument is a better strategy than changing the localised function name (less disruptive to users who are used to the current name, and makes it more consistent with English). I copied Piotr in for a more qualified opinion. Regarding points 2) and 3): I understand better now. The English help page is correct in its use of arguments names, for both functions (despite some inconsistency, see Bug 152292): https://help.libreoffice.org/7.4/en-US/text/scalc/01/04060183.html The Polish-language translation is confusing, as it talks about the K-th ("K-tą") largest/smallest value instead of using the proper argument name "rząd_K": https://help.libreoffice.org/7.4/pl/text/scalc/01/04060183.html This specific translation issue can be corrected in Weblate: - https://translations.documentfoundation.org/translate/libo_help-master/textscalc01/pl/?checksum=e4e1e7f63b3df58c&q=K-t%C4%85&sort_by=-priority%2Cposition - https://translations.documentfoundation.org/translate/libo_help-master/textscalc01/pl/?checksum=9c9720e908f3f204&q=K-t%C4%85&sort_by=-priority%2Cposition Note that the German translation also uses "K" in the function name and, misleadingly, in the description (the argument name doesn't use "K"). For reference, the function description from MS Office: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/large-function-3af0af19-1190-42bb-bb8b-01672ec00a64 If you think the *original* (English) description needs changing, better open a new Bugzilla ticket here to fix that (and the translations will follow from there). In any case, I have filed Bug 152292 to *first* make the English version consistent (which will avoid some unnecessary translations).
(In reply to Stéphane Guillou (stragu) from comment #5) > Thank you Mark and Eike! > > Regarding point 1): > > My opinion is that a localisation that uses the letter "c" for the argument > is a better strategy than changing the localised function name (less > disruptive to users who are used to the current name, and makes it more > consistent with English). I copied Piotr in for a more qualified opinion. > > Regarding points 2) and 3): > > I understand better now. The English help page is correct in its use of > arguments names, for both functions (despite some inconsistency, see Bug > 152292): > > https://help.libreoffice.org/7.4/en-US/text/scalc/01/04060183.html > > The Polish-language translation is confusing, as it talks about the K-th > ("K-tą") largest/smallest value instead of using the proper argument name > "rząd_K": > > https://help.libreoffice.org/7.4/pl/text/scalc/01/04060183.html > > This specific translation issue can be corrected in Weblate: > - > https://translations.documentfoundation.org/translate/libo_help-master/ > textscalc01/pl/?checksum=e4e1e7f63b3df58c&q=K-t%C4%85&sort_by=- > priority%2Cposition > - > https://translations.documentfoundation.org/translate/libo_help-master/ > textscalc01/pl/?checksum=9c9720e908f3f204&q=K-t%C4%85&sort_by=- > priority%2Cposition > > Note that the German translation also uses "K" in the function name and, > misleadingly, in the description (the argument name doesn't use "K"). > For reference, the function description from MS Office: > https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/large-function-3af0af19-1190-42bb- > bb8b-01672ec00a64 > > If you think the *original* (English) description needs changing, better > open a new Bugzilla ticket here to fix that (and the translations will > follow from there). > > In any case, I have filed Bug 152292 to *first* make the English version > consistent (which will avoid some unnecessary translations). Thanks Stéphane Guillou Ad.1. Eike Rathke spoke about changing the name of the function. In the Polish translation, arguments are marked with capital letters, e.g. "K". The suggestion of a lowercase "c" is against the accepted principle. My proposal does not interfere with the basic nomenclature adopted by Polish IT specialists. The uniformity of the Polish translation is more important than the consistency of individual letters with the English version. I agree that it would be enough to change the "K" argument to something like "P" (Pozycja-Position), "R" (Rząd-Row), "S" (Stopień-Stage) or "M" (Miejsce-Location). If my arguments are convincing, I consider the author of the Polish translation in "Help" to be the most competent to introduce corrections. Thank you!
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