Bug 153442 - Cannot set caption order for individual object types in AutoCaption
Summary: Cannot set caption order for individual object types in AutoCaption
Status: NEW
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Product: LibreOffice
Classification: Unclassified
Component: Writer (show other bugs)
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7.2.7.2 release
Hardware: All All
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Blocks: AutoCaption
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Reported: 2023-02-07 15:05 UTC by sdc.blanco
Modified: 2025-03-26 20:07 UTC (History)
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Description sdc.blanco 2023-02-07 15:05:35 UTC 
Tools - LibreOffice Writer - AutoCaption

Basic problem #1:  Cannot select "Caption Order" separately for different objects.

For example.

1. Select checkbox for LibreOffice Writer Frame and set Caption Order to "Numbering First".
2. Then select checkbox for LibreOffice Writer Image and set Caption Order to "Category First"
3. Then place cursor back on Frame.

Actual result:  Caption Order is "Category First"
Expected result: Caption Order is "Numbering First"

In other words, the last Caption Order setting is applied globally, when it is expected that it can be set locally for different objects.


Basic problem #2:  The "Caption Order" setting is always changed by the value selected in Insert Caption - Options - Caption Order.

For example.

1. In Tools - LibreOffice Writer - Autocaption, select checkbox for LibreOffice Writer Frame and set Caption Order to "Numbering First".
2. Select an image in a Writer document, then Insert - Caption - Options and set Caption Order to "Category first", then Ok.

  Actual result:  Caption Order in Autocaption is changed to value set 
                  in Insert - Caption - Options dialog.
Expected result:  Options dialog does not affect setting in Autocaption.

Have reported these two problems together, because they seem related, but can make a separate ticket if necessary.
Comment 1 Dieter 2023-02-23 08:31:08 UTC 
(In reply to sdc.blanco from comment #0)

Basic assumption from my POV: Consistency within a document.

> Basic problem #1:  Cannot select "Caption Order" separately for different
> objects.
I confirm the described behaviour, but to have a consistant layout, it's the expected behaviour. To make it more clear I would make caption order only selectable, if you click on that dialog (should be greyed out in all other cases)

> Basic problem #2:  The "Caption Order" setting is always changed by the
> value selected in Insert Caption - Options - Caption Order.
I confirm the described behaviour. To support a consistant layout it's the expected behaviour, but this behaviour isn't clear for the user. We should at least add a tooltip and add information to help page [1]

But I see a different problem #3
A change in caption order settings doesn't affect existing captions LO should at least give an option for that.

In sum: Topic for design-team
Comment 2 sdc.blanco 2023-02-23 09:22:20 UTC 
(In reply to Dieter from comment #1)
> I confirm the described behaviour, but to have a consistant layout, it's the
> expected behaviour. 
Plausible use case for wanting different caption orders for different objects

For image or user-defined:

First Illustration
Second Illustration
Third Illustration

For table:

Table 1
Table 2
Table 3

> A change in caption order settings doesn't affect existing captions LO
same point raised in bug 153248, comment 4
Comment 3 Heiko Tietze 2023-02-24 08:53:43 UTC 
Yes, this is missing. Relevant for bug 153248 about UI redesign.
Comment 4 QA Administrators 2025-03-16 03:11:50 UTC Comment hidden (obsolete)
Comment 5 Dieter 2025-03-26 20:07:32 UTC 
Still the same in

Version: 25.8.0.0.alpha0+ (X86_64) / LibreOffice Community
Build ID: 6e8a094a1a1d63ed2684900c5e0c4292f8d833a8
CPU threads: 12; OS: Windows 11 X86_64 (build 22631); UI render: Skia/Vulkan; VCL: win
Locale: de-DE (de_DE); UI: en-GB
Calc: CL threaded