Description: I have just installed LibreOffice after a long time away. So as to make out of the box experience better for those users trying LibreOffice for the first time and coming from a MS Word environment, there should be a project to better mirror out of the box experience that MS Word users get from a new install of MS Word as many will not make preference changes and become indoctrinated into that navigational paradigm. I am suggesting this as my first usages caused me to stumble around because of default settings. Steps to Reproduce: 1.New file 2.Paste text 3. Paste image 4. attempt to adjust image on page and use returns to push image down page to adjust placement, as is common in MS Word Actual Results: 1. Place cursor after image and return, image moves down page instead of line returns inserting new rows for new input. 2. Image format default is text around image, where as image format default in MS Word is text above and below image. Expected Results: If i place cursor after an object I expect object to remain in place, not follow character returns down page. Encountered difficulty in simply movement of page objects as my user experience paradigm comes form MS Word. Reproducible: Always User Profile Reset: No Additional Info: I recommend that you start a new team effort to map navigation patterns and set defaulting install behaviors to match that of MS Word. I know many on team will say, Our defaulting behavior are better, but the reality is , you want to make new users as comfortable as possible with their initial onboarding to OL. There are many many projects and companies out there that make this critical mistake and it is usually driven by senior ego's, not an attitude of let's win this game.
"... should be a project to better mirror out of the box experience that MS Word users get ..." Hmm, not seeing an advantage or need to doing anything more for folks coming from MS Office Desktop apps, or their O365 cloud flavors. Specific behavior you describe is "anchoring", LibreOffice and ODF specs handle differently in UI and document structure to MS's implementation for OOXML. We very much expect users to RTM, especially necessary for folks crossing over from the MS UIs.
So you have no track for improvements?
There was no other option to submit a suggestion except to log a bug, I"m not sure how you get feedback from the public to make the product better, maybe its not something you do?
Sure BZ is fine for that, we'll make it an actual enhancement, A.k.a RFE as there is no bug here, and there is literally nothing actionable in this request! Your specific issue was with the handling of image anchor--clearly documented, RTM. Flesh your suggestion out, I'm certainly not going to put any effort into what IMHO is a complete waste of design and dev effort. But, would strongly suggest you spend some time working in LibreOffice before you start saying it needs to work like MS Office does, oh, and again please RTM--there are links from the Help menu, and a useful WiKi.
(In reply to markballew from comment #0) > I recommend that you start a new team effort to map navigation patterns... One could also argue copying is the end of creativity. Anyway, the big advantage of LibreOffice as an open source project is that it is community-driven. You can join here talk and get heard. The way images are placed in documents is a complex topic and discussed in several tickets (will make this on a duplicate). The second part how text flows around is related, and has as well its duplicates. We organize reports (whether bugs or enhancements) in META tickets, and bug 87740 holds a lot of information. You are very welcome to join the discussions. *** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 146445 ***
Sorry some have taken offense, I certainly could have worded some things better, but I don't believe it is copying, looking at it from that perspective would be like saying lets not do what works and do something different. There is a logic of navigation and user experience that MS has invested millions maybe billions into research and analysis for their UX, for beyond the capacity of this project, it is just a fact of life that the world has been mentally programmed to think in their paradigm. My point here is that from a user adoption perspective it would be wise to wow a new user instead of confuse them. New users rarely read through the guides, they just want to jump in and use it, that's because they have work to do and not time to waste. Even web ux design has fallen into standard navigation paradigms, this is just what it is.
(In reply to markballew from comment #6) > Sorry some have taken offense... No worries, no one has taken offense. MSO is doing great work and it would be nice to realize many ideas. But LibreOffice is a different product and not just the ugly copycat. Besides being a community project, we put freedom paramount and we allow full insights into the documents. Not to speak about standards, inclusion, education, etc. So while your statement is not wrong you should refer to specific use cases. And while LibreOffice might be seen as ugly and clumsy you will find solutions that are superior to MSO. Help us (actually yourself *g*) to make the other parts as efficient and beautiful.
Thanks, I like to hear the philosophy, I'm all about this and if I thought LibreOffice was clumsy and ugly I would not use it or take the time to make the input I did. I will do as you have suggested and try to identify specific use cases that can be discussed. As MSO forces its user base into saas' fully invasive and dollar sucking model and as is well documented working in partnership with 3rd parties to access, share and watch user data and activity, I'm all about getting users away from that thief of privacy.