Footnote autonumbering might need to have different styles in different parts of the document. For example: Latin numerals on LTR/Latin-text pages, Hebrew or Arabic numbers on RTL page with Hebrew/Arabic content. Or perhaps pages in thematically different areas of the document, with one of them befitting a star, dagger, section etc. and another befitting numbers. So, I suggest this be made a feature of the Page Style, not the document like it is now (at least, UI-wise).
Got any backing to the requirement? I mean APA, IEEE, CMOS...
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #1) > Got any backing to the requirement? I mean APA, IEEE, CMOS... No. And isn't CMOS a semiconductor technology name? 8-| But: 1. If I want to combine two documents into one, I would need to be able to switch footnote autonumbering settings. 2. The Western-and-CTL document example: It doesn't make sense for a document in, say, German and Farsi, to have Latin-letter footnote references in the Farsi parts; nor does it make sense to have Farsi/Arabic-letter footnotes in the German part. So the way things stand now, either I not use alphabet letter at all in a multi-language document, or I need the ability to change autonumbering style.
Tried with two documents, the first using numbers for footnotes the second letters. Adding the second into a new document, as you do with master documents, takes the numbering scheme from this document - which is numbers by default. I see no way to have two schemes living together in harmony.
Eyal, I can't remember that I've ever seen it in real life. So is it a common layout?
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #3) > I see no way to have two schemes living together in harmony. If this bug is resolved, then they will live together in harmony. Although - one would have to have differently-named page styles for with the different auto-numbering schemes (unless bug 155740 is resolved.)
Eyal, could you provide a real life example. Taking into account your previous comments I can think about a book with different articles in different languages from different authors. But I don't think, that the editor would put them together into one odt-file.
(In reply to Dieter from comment #6) > Eyal, could you provide a real life example. So, I'll first say I don't believe that's really a valid request. It is established in LibreOffice that footnotes are styled essentially via page styles - spacing, area size, separator line; and the choice of which numbering system to use is - at least partially - a matter of style. Still, since you've asked - let's just flesh out the example in my opening comment. Suppose I write a report with some front-matter, e.g. an introduction, a main part and appendices. Each of those may have some footnotes, but I may well choose to have the main-part footnotes be numbered, with numbering not resetting every page; while the introduction may also have a couple of footnotes, which I specifically want _not_ to number, but rather indicate with shapes like †‡◆✱ . At the moment - that's not possible.
I just had a look at CMOS 17th edition. It describes ythe combination of symbols as footnotes and numbers as endotes (14.49). Guidelines in 14.25 are not clear enough I think, but could be interpreted that it is possible to use symbols in one article of a book and numbers in another (but if I would be the weditor, I would try to avoid it). 14.25 Sequencing of note numbers and symbols. Notes, whether footnotes or endnotes, should be numbered consecutively, beginning with 1, throughout each article and for each new chapter-not throughout an entire book unless the text has no internal divisions. Where only a handful of footnotes appear in an entire book or, perhaps, just one in an article, symbols may be used instead of numbers (see also 14.24) [...] For using a combination of numbers and symbols for two sets of notes, see 14.49-51. For notes to tables and other nontextual matter, which are usually handled independently of the notes to the text, see 3.76-80.
(In reply to Dieter from comment #8) > For using a combination of numbers and symbols for two sets of notes, see 14.49-51. Essentially saying to use asterisk notes or add brackets.
Created attachment 195836 [details] sample document with different footnotes I've created a document with different kind of footnotes. Eyal, please describe, why this is not in line with that what you need. => NEEDINFO
(In reply to Dieter from comment #10) > I've created a document with different kind of footnotes. How did you affect the changes in footnote style between the different parts of the document?
[Automated Action] NeedInfo-To-Unconfirmed
You can switch between automatic numbering, adopting what is defined in Tools > Footnote/Endnote, and manual character selection via "Footnote or Endnote...". You cannot have two types of automatic footnotes in a document (neither this is recommended and supported by CMOS).
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #13) > You can switch between automatic numbering, adopting what is defined in > Tools > Footnote/Endnote, and manual character selection via "Footnote or > Endnote...". Ah, ok, now I see what Dieter has done. (In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #13) > I've created a document with different kind of footnotes. Eyal, please > describe, why this is not in line with that what you need. It is not. In your document, if I insert another footnote in the "Preface" page: * The footnote reference is a number. * The footnote references following it don't change. So, like Heiko pointed out - I'm asking for the ability to have different automatically-numbered sequences when switching page styles. --------- Another point I should perhaps bring up: One could make the argument that the point at which the numbering scheme changes could be the transition between _sections_ rather than page styles. And there is even a bit of UI towards that goal, in the Insert Section dialog - except you can only change the numbering scheme if you collect the footnotes at the end of the section and restart the numbering.
(In reply to Eyal Rozenberg from comment #14) > So, like Heiko pointed out - I'm asking for the ability to have different > automatically-numbered sequences when switching page styles. Personally I don't see the need for such a feature and I don't remember a book, an article or something similar (that is what I meant by "real life example") that makes such a feature necessary. So I think it is an enhancement request and design team should make a final decision.
(In reply to Dieter from comment #15) > So I think it is an enhancement request and design team should make a final > decision. This request has been carefully handled by you, Dieter. We do not support multiple automatic schemes, neither any other application. Style guides request one scheme, depending on the number of footnotes, and "asterisk notes" for special cases that can be inserted using the manual mode. I see no need complicate the workflow. => WF
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #16) > We do not support multiple automatic schemes That's why this bug was filed. So, not an argument against confirming it. > neither any other application. Easily supported in LaTeX. > Style guides request one scheme No they don't. You have found one style guide which requests this; in other contexts, the opposite is requested. How many theses authoring guides have you looked at for theses in universities in multi-lingual countries, where it is customary to have different parts in different languages, for example? > I see no need complicate the workflow. The workflow would actually be simplified by making the Footnote numbering scheme a feature of the Page Style. It's like having one less "global variable". (Although again there's the issue of change at section switches which is a different type of complexity.)
(In reply to Eyal Rozenberg from comment #17) > > Style guides request one scheme > > No they don't. You have found one style guide which requests this; in other > contexts, the opposite is requested. Which style guide do you think of?
(In reply to Dieter from comment #18) > (In reply to Eyal Rozenberg from comment #17) > > > Style guides request one scheme > > > > No they don't. You have found one style guide which requests this; in other > > contexts, the opposite is requested. > > Which style guide do you think of? Those for universities where theses involves different parts in different languages, possibly progressing in different directions, and which also have different numbering schemes for pages. In my alma mater the choice of numbering schemes for different parts is just a custom, not an official style, but it is common to choose different ones. Another reason for separate number schemes is footnotes in an (extended) abstract vs footnotes in the body of the thesis. The abstract, in a sense, doesn't "count", so its footnotes don't deserve numbers, just symbols; and those symbols may even restart every page. But in the body, footnotes are important, so they are counted over the whole body or every chapter. But I have not taken a survey of style guides to look for this being the case.