Bug 163494 - "Point edit mode" confusing - suggests glue-point-related functionality
Summary: "Point edit mode" confusing - suggests glue-point-related functionality
Status: NEW
Alias: None
Product: LibreOffice
Classification: Unclassified
Component: Impress (show other bugs)
Version:
(earliest affected)
24.8.2.1 release
Hardware: All All
: low trivial
Assignee: Not Assigned
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Keywords: difficultyBeginner, easyHack, skillDesign
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Blocks: Shape-Points
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Reported: 2024-10-17 18:01 UTC by Eyal Rozenberg
Modified: 2024-11-06 03:14 UTC (History)
3 users (show)

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2024-10-17 19:32 UTC, Regina Henschel
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Description Eyal Rozenberg 2024-10-17 18:01:25 UTC
The icon for "Point Edit Mode" looks very much like how one would select a glue point along a polygon's edges - more like than editing an actual polygon vertex or curve control point.

The naming as well: "Point" is inspecific; and when one is thinking about a "standard" shape rather than a configurable multi-point polygon or curve - one tends not to think of vertices, but of glue points.

I therefore suggest:

1. A redesign of the icon, to show something that's clearly not a glue point, and
2. Some kind of name tweaking for this command.

I'm not quite sure what I would use as the alternative in the name rather than "Point". "Control Point"? "Vertex"? "Control/Path Point"? "Vertex & Control Point"?
Comment 1 Eyal Rozenberg 2024-10-17 18:01:52 UTC
Oh, perhaps "Shape Point"?
Comment 2 Regina Henschel 2024-10-17 19:32:14 UTC
Created attachment 197118 [details]
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In all delivered icon themes and icon sizes the tools "Toggle Point Edit Mode" and "Show Gluepoint Functions" are easily to distinguish.

If you think, an icon could be improved, you should discuss it with the author of the icon theme.

The tooltips "Toggle Point Edit Mode" and "Show Gluepoint Functions" are clear for me.

What indeed is missing, are extended tips for these tools.
Comment 3 Eyal Rozenberg 2024-10-17 21:41:42 UTC
(In reply to Regina Henschel from comment #2)
> In all delivered icon themes and icon sizes the tools "Toggle Point Edit
> Mode" and "Show Gluepoint Functions" are easily to distinguish.

They're easy to distinguish, but that's not the complaint. The point is if you don't know the specific function of each of these two icons, and you see:

* One icon with a pencil
* Another icon with a point along the edge of a shape

you are rather likely to guess that the second icon is what you need to press if you want to add or manipulate glue-points.

In the image you've added, some icon themes are a lot better than others - because they illustrate what seem to be vertices or control points. Specifically:

Good: sifr, karasa jaga, (breeze)
Bad: sukapura, elementary, colibre

> If you think, an icon could be improved, you should discuss it with the
> author of the icon theme.

I suppose I should - although I don't know how to determine which person maintains each theme.

Still, the default is very often one of the three bad ones in this respect.
Comment 4 Heiko Tietze 2024-10-18 08:04:38 UTC
(In reply to Eyal Rozenberg from comment #0)
> 1. A redesign of the icon, to show something that's clearly not a glue
> point, and
If "they are easy to distinguish" the complaint is more about aesthetics.

> 2. Some kind of name tweaking for this command.
Nothing to say against tooltips. Any suggestion?
Comment 5 Eyal Rozenberg 2024-10-24 09:29:56 UTC
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #4)
> (In reply to Eyal Rozenberg from comment #0)
> > 1. A redesign of the icon, to show something that's clearly not a glue
> > point, and
> If "they are easy to distinguish" the complaint is more about aesthetics.

No, perhaps I wasn't clear enough. The two icons are visually distinct as images; but the "Point Edit Mode" button's icon suggests the button functionality would be editing glue points.

> > 2. Some kind of name tweaking for this command.
> Nothing to say against tooltips. Any suggestion?

So, currently it's "Point Edit Mode". I've already suggestion a few options:

"Control Point Edit Mode"
"Control/Path Point Edit Mode"
"Vertex & Control Point Edit Mode"
"Vertex Edit Mode"
Comment 6 Heiko Tietze 2024-11-05 13:37:10 UTC
We discussed the topic in the design meeting.

Icon design varies, Eyal suggests to at least use a curve to visually better depict the workflow. But first of all he suggests to rename the command to "Control-point edit mode" with a tooltip "Toggle control-point edit mode".

Code pointer: officecfg/registry/data/org/openoffice/Office/UI/GenericCommands.xcu ".uno:ToggleObjectBezierMode"