The "Position" section of "Position and Size" tab of "Position and Size" dialog is recognized as being problematic: * Some of the values in the drop-down listboxes clash, or their relation is unclear, e.g. "Left" and "From Left". * The behavior of some items in the drop-down listboxes may be confusing, e.g. * The phrases formed by the selected values and the connective labels often don't make sense, e.g. "Position: Horizontal: Left by 0.00 inch to Left page border" Two suggests for limited suggestions have already been rejected as not resulting in a significant and clear improvement: bug 148593, bug 149407 ; and I do want to acknowledge sdc.blanco@youmail.dk for his effort even if those weren't accepted. It seems we need a deeper / more comprehensive change of both the set of widgets, the set of values in each selection box, the labels and the positioning.
I agree, that options are not sefl-explaning, but what about the help page for images and frames [1]? for shapes [2] What information is perhaps missing here? [1] https://help.libreoffice.org/25.8/en-GB/text/swriter/01/05060100.html?System=WIN&DbPAR=WRITER&HID=modules/swriter/ui/frmtypepage/FrameTypePage#bm_id3147406 [2] https://help.libreoffice.org/25.8/en-GB/text/shared/01/05230100.html?System=WIN&DbPAR=WRITER&HID=cui/ui/swpossizepage/SwPosSizePage#bm_id3147407
(In reply to Dieter from comment #1) > but what about the help page ... What information is perhaps missing here? The help page(s) would be a subject for another bug. App UI design must not regard anything in the app documentation/help pages - only the other way around. This is both because applications need to be self-explanatory, and because users cannot be assumed to have read the documentation - and in practice, most of them don't read it. However, if you suggest that we take inspiration from the help pages in redesigning the UI - that's a different matter; but in that case please be more specific.
Created attachment 203669 [details] Dialog as of LO 26.2, next to a shape Screenshot of the Position&Size dialog with the Position&Size tab focused, next to a selected drawing shape in LO Writer 26.2, nightly from 2025-10-24.
(In reply to Eyal Rozenberg from comment #0) > The "Position" section of "Position and Size" tab of "Position and Size" > dialog is recognized as being problematic... And you filed a couple of tickets about this. The list comprises of several different topics and I see no clear path to solve it with (another) ticket. Mind to focus on something that has not been addressed on other bugs?