Description: in opening pdf files in libre office, one of them will let me read the whole document using a demo of jaws 2025, another file on the other hand it will not let me read after a certain point. Steps to Reproduce: 1. when opening the pdf in libre office 2. as i am arrowing through 3. the screen reader reads whatever is in the document Actual Results: the document stops at what seems like middle of the document Expected Results: i cannot continue reading Reproducible: Always User Profile Reset: Yes Additional Info: no other information
Created attachment 200137 [details] minutes from a meeting
@Simon is attachment 200137 [details] the PDF that will be read all the way through? Or that stops part way? Also, is this only with JAWS, or also with NVDA? For what it is worth, a PDF opened by default into Draw, or with filter selection into Writer, can not be read with NVDA SayAll. The structure of an "opened" PDF is a bunch of drawn shapes, text runs are done a line at a time into a text box shape per line. So require object navigation. So reading requires a screen scrape with mouse cursor, or the awkward use of <Tab>, <Enter>, <ESC> cycling to expose the paragraph text in each Draw object. <Tab> moves between the draw objects <Enter> toggles into the text mode for the draw shape object <Esc> toggles back to object navigation <Tab> moves to next draw shape. Screen scraping is much more fluid. And either method requires you use the PdgDn, PgUp to move between pages of the document. But for a PDF, wouldn't the free Adobe Reader be a better choice?
this is the document that does not read all the way through. i have only tried this with jaws.
(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #2) > For what it is worth, a PDF opened by default into Draw, or with filter > selection into Writer, can not be read with NVDA SayAll. > > The structure of an "opened" PDF is a bunch of drawn shapes, text runs are > done a line at a time into a text box shape per line. So require object > navigation. > > So reading requires a screen scrape with mouse cursor, or the awkward use of > <Tab>, <Enter>, <ESC> cycling to expose the paragraph text in each Draw > object. > > <Tab> moves between the draw objects > <Enter> toggles into the text mode for the draw shape object > <Esc> toggles back to object navigation > <Tab> moves to next draw shape. > > Screen scraping is much more fluid. > > And either method requires you use the PdgDn, PgUp to move between pages of > the document. Indeed, and in a quick test of mine, the text of shapes is read fine by JAWS when navigating between the text shapes using the Tab key. (JAWS says something like "text frame, text frame shape <number>, <actual text>" when one of the shapes receives focus. (Tested using the default import into Draw) @Simon: Does that work for you as well? > But for a PDF, wouldn't the free Adobe Reader be a better choice? That indeed sounds like the more "natural" choice to me as well to read an existing PDF file. @Simon: Can you explain what's the reason/use case for using LibreOffice for reading the PDF file instead of a PDF reader? Version: 25.8.0.0.alpha0+ (X86_64) / LibreOffice Community Build ID: b7e6e0f150a669aa191b16655e6e03d60946c416 CPU threads: 12; OS: Windows 11 X86_64 (build 26100); UI render: default; VCL: win Locale: en-US (en_DE); UI: en-US Calc: threaded
hi i find when using a pdf reader with a screen reader when reading a document like that with a table for me anyways i find it difficult to know what item is on what day in this case for example lentil soup.
(In reply to Simon from comment #5) > hi i find when using a pdf reader with a screen reader when reading a > document like that with a table for me anyways i find it difficult to know > what item is on what day in this case for example lentil soup. I don't see "lentil soup" or any table in the sample document attachment 200137 [details]. Is that maybe referring to a different document? I must admit I don't have any experience with Adobe Reader accessibility, but would expect that PDF readers have a way to expose the table structure, if the PDF file itself is accessible. Is the content in the sample document read for you when tabbing through the document, as asked earlier?
(In reply to Michael Weghorn from comment #6) > (In reply to Simon from comment #5) > > hi i find when using a pdf reader with a screen reader when reading a > > document like that with a table for me anyways i find it difficult to know > > what item is on what day in this case for example lentil soup. > > I don't see "lentil soup" or any table in the sample document attachment > 200137 [details]. Is that maybe referring to a different document? > > I must admit I don't have any experience with Adobe Reader accessibility, > but would expect that PDF readers have a way to expose the table structure, > if the PDF file itself is accessible. > > > Is the content in the sample document read for you when tabbing through the > document, as asked earlier? to answer your question yes.
(In reply to Simon from comment #7) > > Is the content in the sample document read for you when tabbing through the > > document, as asked earlier? to answer your question yes. In that case, can this ticket be closed? If possible, I'd suggest to ask the creator of the document whether they can also provide an ODT version or a more accessible PDF version of the document.
(In reply to Michael Weghorn from comment #8) > (In reply to Simon from comment #7) > > > Is the content in the sample document read for you when tabbing through the > > > document, as asked earlier? to answer your question yes. > > In that case, can this ticket be closed? > > If possible, I'd suggest to ask the creator of the document whether they can > also provide an ODT version or a more accessible PDF version of the document. yes you can close the ticket.