LibreOffice Writer 3.3.2, b:202 S-T-R: 1. Open any file containing several pages filled with any content. 2. Check the bottom margin of the document (on the ruler). 3. Insert a blank default footer (Menu -> Insert -> Footer). 4. Notify the upwards shift of the bottom page margin. This is a very annoying behaviour when having a set of very careful formatted pages, which will turn to a real mess after applying the footers (e.g. you forgot to insert the page numbers).
Already discussed! @Victor: It will be also annoying if your footer will be outside the print range. We discussed that in <Bug 33304 - Header / Footer should be inserted into margin, not into text body> The current result is: - Help might be misleading (I believe: it's wrong) - Current behavior is intended, we know about alternative approach in WORD with some advantages and some disadvantages, currently there is no common sense to modify current behavior. *** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 33304 ***
I didn't know if I should send further comments here or on the dupe bug, but I think it's going to be short. First of all, sorry for the duplicate. Second, I thought of a (maybe) satisfying solution for all: 1. Imagine a "print margin" around the document margin, which you cannot get past without a warning ("Caution: elements or text outside the printable are. of the document will most probably not going to print! To deactivate this warning go to [...]"). This should have a safe width for almost all home/office printers. 2. IF you apply header/footer, check to see if it can be contained between the page margins and have two values: - it CAN fit in the area: put it outside the page and inside the safe area for printing; - it CANNOT fit in the area: put inside the page margins. 3. If it can fit, but it expands too much, shrink the page's margins to make enough room for it. Please now create a new document, drag the up/bottom margins to make a small content area, then apply a header/footer. Note that it's added inside the already small space, when it has plenty of room outside it. I hope you can get my point. I completely understand if it remains WON'T FIX status. But I tried to create a win-win solution. Regards, Victor
(In reply to comment #2) > I didn't know if I should send further comments here or on the dupe bug, The "RESOLVED DUPLICATE" (this one) one is the dead one. It's not so easy to change the current behavior, a new solution has to be consistent in all applications, compatible with old documents and ODF specifications, in accordance with user needs, ... For such a complex thing you would have to create a specification draft, may be you want to have a look on <http://specs.openoffice.org/> for a sample. Currently in our young project there is no similar proceeding, if you have time and enthusiasm you can try to create such a spec. draft in the wiki as a sub page of your user page, but don't be disappointed if you do not get positive feedback at once.
@Rainer Bielefeld, thank you for your time, I saved some documents available at the page you pointed me to, and I am currently looking over one of them; the drafting process doesn't seem to be so painful, so I think I'll give it a try sometime. And I completely understand that the choice must be impartial and all I want is the win-win scenario. As I said, maybe I'll give it a try. Now let's just leave this issue loane, dead as it is ;)
@Rainer Bielefeld, thank you for your time, I saved some documents available at the page you pointed me to, and I am currently looking over one of them; the drafting process doesn't seem to be so painful, so I think I'll give it a try sometime. And I completely understand that the choice must be impartial and all I want is the win-win scenario. As I said, maybe I'll give it a try. Now let's just leave this issue alone, dead as it is ;)
(In reply to comment #5) > @Rainer Bielefeld, thank you for your time, I saved some documents available at > the page you pointed me to, and I am currently looking over one of them; the > drafting process doesn't seem to be so painful, so I think I'll give it a try > sometime. And I completely understand that the choice must be impartial and all > I want is the win-win scenario. As I said, maybe I'll give it a try. > Now let's just leave this issue alone, dead as it is ;) Actually I recommended quite similar things as you did in the other bug . Make sure to comment in one of the bugs if there is some development.