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Bug 38781 - LOCALHELP for WRITER Navigation Toolbar ('View -> Toolbars -> Navigation') missing
Summary: LOCALHELP for WRITER Navigation Toolbar ('View -> Toolbars -> Navigation') mi...
Status: RESOLVED MOVED
Alias: None
Product: LibreOffice
Classification: Unclassified
Component: Documentation (show other bugs)
Version:
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3.4.1 release
Hardware: Other All
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Blocks: HelpGaps-NewFeatures
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Reported: 2011-06-29 10:36 UTC by Rainer Bielefeld Retired
Modified: 2020-09-26 14:55 UTC (History)
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Description Rainer Bielefeld Retired 2011-06-29 10:36:18 UTC
This is a spin off from "Bug 38433 - UI:Edit > Changes enable navigation toolbar"

Can't find any Help for new Navigation Toolbar with "LibreOffice 3.4.1RC1 – WIN7  Home Premium  (64bit) English UI [OOO340m1 (Build:103)]". All I found is concerning Bar in Navigator.
Comment 1 bfoman (inactive) 2012-06-26 05:40:08 UTC
@reporter: Is this still valid? Could you update the status?
Comment 2 Rainer Bielefeld Retired 2012-06-26 05:59:24 UTC
I still can't find in  3.7.0.0.alpha0+
And I still am not 100% sure. But I will risk it, because Extended Tooltipps also are rare and show only "Back" or "Forward".

@David:
Can you help?
Comment 3 Paul Weiss 2013-01-13 04:49:07 UTC
Help for Navigator is available in 3.6.4.3.
Comment 4 Rainer Bielefeld Retired 2013-01-13 07:35:56 UTC
(In reply to comment #3)

@Paul Weiss:
Your comments would be more useful if you would contribute more concrete information. Where did you find that? Please contribute steps how to find that in LOCALHELP or WIKIHELP (<https://help.libreoffice.org/>)
Comment 5 Paul Weiss 2013-01-13 19:21:05 UTC
Oh, okay, I though it was obvious.
1. Press F1 to open local help.
2. Access help for Navigator in one of the following ways:
   a. Contents
      Text Documents->Command and Menu Reference->View->Navigator
     or for briefer help:
      Text Documents->Navigating Text Documents->Navigator for Text Documents
      Common Help Topics->Working with the User Interface->Navigatgor for Document Overview
     (there are probably other ways, too)
   b. Index->Navigator
   c. Find->Navigator
Comment 6 Rainer Bielefeld Retired 2013-01-13 21:21:29 UTC
(In reply to comment #5)

@Paul Weiss
That's something different, you found the Help for the "Navigator", not the "Navigation Toolbar" (You can toggle view for "Navigation Toolbar" in menu 'View -> Toolbars -> Navigation'.

But I admit, that's rather worrying, because the Navigator also has a (different) "Navigation toolbar" for what you found some help.
Comment 7 Kumāra 2013-05-22 09:03:22 UTC
(In reply to comment #6)
> (In reply to comment #5)
> 
> @Paul Weiss
> That's something different, you found the Help for the "Navigator", not the
> "Navigation Toolbar" (You can toggle view for "Navigation Toolbar" in menu
> 'View -> Toolbars -> Navigation'.
> 
> But I admit, that's rather worrying, because the Navigator also has a
> (different) "Navigation toolbar" for what you found some help.

I agree. Perhaps the one in Navigator can be renamed as "Navigator Toolbar".
Comment 8 QA Administrators 2015-03-04 02:24:20 UTC Comment hidden (obsolete)
Comment 9 tommy27 2016-04-16 07:24:08 UTC Comment hidden (obsolete)
Comment 10 Olivier Hallot 2018-02-15 19:14:11 UTC
Adding UX eval to set if this navigation toolbar is really valuable to the UI. 

Behaviour is apparently erratic and lack of description does not help user.

e.g.

https://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/114955/navigation-toolbar-appears-on-inserting-headerfooter-in-a-document/
Comment 11 Heiko Tietze 2018-02-17 08:40:31 UTC Comment hidden (obsolete)
Comment 12 Heiko Tietze 2018-02-18 08:33:48 UTC Comment hidden (obsolete)
Comment 13 V Stuart Foote 2018-02-18 21:52:52 UTC Comment hidden (obsolete)
Comment 14 V Stuart Foote 2018-02-18 22:07:00 UTC Comment hidden (obsolete)
Comment 15 Heiko Tietze 2018-02-22 17:33:55 UTC
UX topic moved to bug 115817, keeping this one open for docu.
Comment 16 Heiko Tietze 2018-04-20 13:54:46 UTC
(In reply to Olivier Hallot from comment #10)
> Adding UX eval to set if this navigation toolbar is really valuable to the
> UI. 
> 
> Behaviour is apparently erratic and lack of description does not help user.

Discussed this in the design meeting. The implementation might have room for improvement, ie. position/popup of controls, but the functionality itself is not questioned. So we keep it, perhaps in the future not as a standalone toolbar.
Comment 17 Olivier Hallot 2019-02-28 16:18:20 UTC
closing.
follow  bug 115817.
Comment 18 V Stuart Foote 2020-09-26 14:55:28 UTC
@Olivier, giving this moved documentation issue a poke.

The current Navigator help [1] conflates the 'Navigation Toolbar' [2] with the Navigator UIs 'Navigate by' modal selection via drop list and Next - Previous buttons--as brought in from the reworked Find bar.

What should the 'Navigate by' element in the Navigator be called in the Help? 

Calling the Navigator's component "Navigation toolbar" is being confused with the View -> Toolbars -> 'Navigation' toolbar.

And, as for bug 115817, its function (internally documented in source) could still use some type of attention in the Help.

=-ref-=
[1] https://help.libreoffice.org/7.0/en-US/text/shared/guide/navigator_setcursor.html

[2] a contextual toolbar implemented with bug 32869 and subject of bug 115817