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Bug 53177 - CONFIGURATION "Use 'English (USA)' locale for numbers" messes with dates and "insert link to external data"
Summary: CONFIGURATION "Use 'English (USA)' locale for numbers" messes with dates and ...
Alias: None
Product: LibreOffice
Classification: Unclassified
Component: Calc (show other bugs)
(earliest affected) release
Hardware: Other All
: medium normal
Assignee: Not Assigned
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Reported: 2012-08-06 17:49 UTC by joaquin
Modified: 2013-11-15 23:48 UTC (History)
2 users (show)

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Sample HTML-import with numbers and dates (34.18 KB, application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.spreadsheet)
2012-10-28 18:42 UTC, joaquin
day and month swapped when # day < 13 (10.83 KB, application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.spreadsheet)
2012-10-29 11:31 UTC, joaquin

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Description joaquin 2012-08-06 17:49:08 UTC
The global configuration setting 

Load/Save -> HTML Compatibility -> Use English (USA) locale for number

causes the following:

- numbers with a "." as decimal separator are recognised and inserted in 
  "NUMBER" fields
- instead of just importing numbers as text this configuration messes with dates:
  dates: day and month are swapped around if day-of-month < 13
- this function overrules the per-import choice for locale and recognising 
  numbers and dates (bug 53103)

I guess this setting does not make sense since in this form and with this description: it offers only a partial solution for bug 47109 and as disadvantages messes with dates and per-import choices.
Comment 1 Rainer Bielefeld Retired 2012-09-16 06:40:19 UTC
Not a valid bug report, no Idea how to reproduce that.

I tried:
0. Launch Server Installation of  "LibreOffice  German UI/Locale
  [Build-ID: f010139] on German WIN7 Home Premium (64bit) 
1. 'Tools -> options -> Language': All settings to English - USA
2. 'Tools -> options -> LoadSave -> HRML Compatibility' Check Import = Use
   English (USA)
3. New Spreadsheet
4. Menu 'Insert -> Link To External Data'
   <'Tools -> options -> Language'>
5. In dialog "Import Options" check "Language=Automatic", "Detect Special 
   Numbers"  <ok>
   > HTML contents listing appears after few moments
6. Select "HTML_tables" <ok>
   HTML page table conetents will appear in spreadsheet after few moments

As expected 1/2 is recognized as date "01/02/2012" . All the rest as expected, please see my "Test_Document.ods" (Please open without updating linked contents). Right from "Test area" in the sheet I checked Number format of imported cells.

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Comment 2 Rainer Bielefeld Retired 2012-10-27 15:43:10 UTC
Please see my  detailed description of the problem in "Bug 56457 - allow (document related) locale setting for 'Insert - External Data'" Comment 1

Closing this one as DUP for now due to reporter's inactivity.

*** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 56457 ***
Comment 3 joaquin 2012-10-28 18:21:36 UTC
As noted in bug 56475, this bug is not about the number import but about the way the "HTML Compatibility" is (not) working.

So the question should be:
- Do we need a general preference "HTML Compatibility"?
  If so:
  - Is this about numbers only?
  - Is this about dates also?
  - Can we customise it?
  If not:
  - Should we have some working choice for number- and date-format on import?
  and this choice should work then, not like the one in bug 5103
Comment 4 joaquin 2012-10-28 18:42:33 UTC
Created attachment 69200 [details]
Sample HTML-import with numbers and dates

Created with LibreOffice 3.4.5 OOO340m1 (Build:502) on Fedora 16

Manually changed:
- Tools -> options -> Language Settings -> User interface: Dutch NL
- Tools -> options -> Load/Save -> HTML Compatibility: "Use 'English (USA)' locale for numbers"

Added 4 tabs with a link to external data. Reopened the spreadsheet on Mac OS X with LO (Build ID: da8c1e6), system locale Dutch, LO locale following system locale and:
- Preferences -> Load/Save -> HTML Compatibility
  [v] Use English (USA) locale for numbers (this is the point!)

Notice (both on Linux and OS X):
- Numbers with a decimal dot are imported as numbers and ok
- ","-numbers are imported correct (but as text, see bug 47109)
- Dates are swapped if #-month =< 12

The last two will usually happen with the link in the TAB "ASN" if:
 # day-of-month < 13

So this should happen again the first days of November 2012 when getting new data.
Comment 5 joaquin 2012-10-28 18:58:15 UTC
Correction: Dates are only swapped when the day-of-month is less than 13 (#-month can of course never be > 12). In other words:

When DD < 13:
  DD-MM-YYYY becomes MM-DD-YYYY 

when using a non-US locale and the "HTML compatibility" setting "Use English (USA) locale for numbers" and importing the link in the TAB "ASN".

And you should update the link a few hours after 10:00 on 20121101 and before 20121113 and compare the result with the original web-page.
Comment 6 Rainer Bielefeld Retired 2012-10-28 19:05:37 UTC
A quick test  with "LibreOffice” German UI/ German Locale [Build-ID: 58f22d5]" on German WIN7 Home Premium (64bit), but I did not see Dates with "/"?

Please reduce your sample document to the relevant table and follow my instructions in Comment 1, what for example means that you write something like "Sheet1.A7" is shown as "xx/yy" but I expect "yy/xx" because "..." (and not "all numbers with ..."
Comment 7 joaquin 2012-10-29 11:31:18 UTC
Created attachment 69221 [details]
day and month swapped when # day < 13
Comment 8 joaquin 2012-10-29 11:47:24 UTC
(In reply to comment #6)
> A quick test  with "LibreOffice” German UI/ German Locale [Build-ID:
> 58f22d5]" on German WIN7 Home Premium (64bit), but I did not see Dates with
> "/"?

Where do you get the impression that ther should be "/" somewhere? This is not about the separator between days, month, year. Tak a look at the following web page:

Next Friday, 02 November some hours after 10:00, you will see something like:

..fonds:    60,46

> @joaquin:
> Please reduce your sample document to the relevant table and follow my
> instructions in Comment 1, what for example means that you write something
> like "Sheet1.A7" is shown as "xx/yy" but I expect "yy/xx" because "..." (and
> not "all numbers with ..."

- open the attachement 69221
- Set your locale to somethen non-US (German will do). Set your global setting
- Preferences (tools->options) -> Load/Save -> HTML Compatibility
  [v] Use English (USA) locale for numbers

So I expect LibreOffice to import just the date and number above and only influence numbers as described in bug 56457. Instead LibreOffice first swaps the day and month, than puts the following result in a text field:

....fonds:    60,46

or whatever value the mutual fund has at the opening at 10:00.

So LibreOffice imports dates incorrect one third of the month when using most non-US locales in combination with "Use English (USA) locale for numbers".

Do you follow me? Do you understand that I use this to keep trac
Comment 9 joaquin 2012-10-29 12:04:28 UTC
What I wanted to say:

Do you understand that I use this to keep track of quotes that change every office day? So there is a relation between dates and numbers that is important here.

Therefore this bug is about the date the price was valid for being swapped around when I want to get the numbers (prices) in as number-fields in the spreadsheet.

Bug 56457 is about getting the numbers in as numbers when using a decimal comma in your document. I did not report that bug because the only thing usefull "Use English (USA) locale for numbers" does is make that possible.

At the moment it is impossible to have both in LibreOffice. So unless the description "Use English (USA) locale for numbers" is wrong and should have been:

"Use USA locale for BOTH numbers AND dates - Dear rest of the world forget about dates"

this bug is not a duplicate of 56547. Also it is not about the date being inserted as text. That is bug is 47109. But all these bugs have one relation:
"Use English (USA) locale for numbers"
Comment 10 joaquin 2012-11-02 13:37:24 UTC
Observations when opening attachment 69221 [details] on 2012-11-02:

Build ID: 165a79a-7059095-e13bb37-fef39a4-9503d18
Opening the attachment without refreshing shows:

Koers (laatste...

Edit -> Links... [Update]

Koers (laatste...

LibreOffice (Build ID: da8c1e6)
Opening the attachment without refreshing shows:

Koers (laatste...

Edit -> Links... [Update]

Koers (laatste...

- System (& LO) locale Dutch
- "Use English (USA) locale for numbers"

LO 3.6.2: New setting under:
  Preferences (tools/options) -> Language Settings -> Languages
  Date acceptance patterns D-M-Y;D-M

That is the default for the locale system (& LO) setting: 
  Default - Dutch (Netherlands)

So, can anyone confirm that we now can "work around" this bug by using this last additional locale setting introduced in LibreOffice 3.6.2?

I certainly can confirm this is the first version of LibreOffice that does not swap the day and month in the described configuration.

I'm not convinced that this should be a global setting because there is no such thing global date formats so I don't think this new feature is a real solution. See the related bugs.
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