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Mockup for LibreOffice download website

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Mock-up for LibreOffice download website

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Mock-up for LibreOffice download website

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Mock-up for LibreOffice download website (Mockup DL 1.dwg)

Sorry for confusion according attachments.

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Mock-up for LibreOffice download website (Mockup DL 2.odg)

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Mock-up for LibreOffice download website (Mockup DL 2.odg)

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Mock-up for LibreOffice download website (Mockup DL 3.odg)

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Mock-up for LibreOffice download website (Mockup DL 4.odg)

2013/1/18 Immanuel Giulea <giulea.immanuel@gmail.com>
>
> The attachments are not readable/viewable.
> All I get is foreign characters.
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 5:36 PM, <bugzilla-daemon@freedesktop.org> wrote:
>
> > https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59574
> >
> >           Priority: medium
> >             Bug ID: 59574
> >                 CC: website@global.libreoffice.org
> >           Assignee: libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org
> >            Summary: Enhancements for the LibreOffice Download Page
> >           Severity: normal
> >     Classification: Unclassified
> >                 OS: All
> >           Reporter: harald-koester@htp-tel.de
> >           Hardware: Other
> >             Status: UNCONFIRMED
> >            Version: unspecified
> >          Component: WWW
> >            Product: LibreOffice
> >
> > Created attachment 73257 [details]
> >   --> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=73257&action=edit
> > Mock-up for LibreOffic download website
> >
> > There are 4 attached mock-ups in order to get an impression of the
proposed
> > enhancements in this report.
> >
> > -------------------
> >
> > [A] Some months ago a user complaints about the LibreOffice download
page
> > (https://www.libreoffice.org/download/) on the German discuss mailing
> > list. He
> > wrongly downloaded the BitTorrent download file (… .msi.torrent) and not
> > the
> > standard file (.. .msi) for the Windows installation. So the
installation
> > failed.
> >
> > The reason for this problem is an unclear display of the green download
> > button.
> > I would expect that I can click somewhere on this button and the
download
> > starts. But I have to click on “Main installer”. A user normally does
not
> > expect that there are three links (Main installer, Torrent, Info) inside
> > the
> > download button.
> >
> > Furthermore the link “Info” inside the download button is misleading. I
> > would
> > expect more informations about LibreOffice or how to install
LibreOffice.
> > But
> > what do I get? A list of hashes and mirror servers in English and not in
> > my own
> > language. To my opinion a normal user does not understand these lists
and
> > can't
> > do anything with it.
> >
> > Proposal in order to avoid the mentioned problems (see also attached
file
> > “Mockup DL 1.odg”):
> >
> > [1] Additional buttons for BitTorrent download. Name buttons with
“Standard
> > Download” and “BitTorrent Download”.
> > [2] Clicking somewhere on the buttons starts the download.
> > [3] Insert a link “More download informations” or “Download Hints” or
> > similar
> > to the download page (not in the download buttons!). On the page linked
> > to, it
> > should be first described (in different languages on different pages)
how
> > hashes and mirrors can be used. The links to the hash and mirror list
> > should be
> > inserted on the linked page.
> >
> > --------------------
> >
> > [B] Some other discussion points and proposals according the download
page
> > (see
> > also “Mockup DL 1.odg”):
> >
> > [1] To my opinion this page is directed primarily towards users and not
> > towards
> > developers. So the downloads of the SDK and the source code should be
> > moved to
> > the developers site (https://www.libreoffice.org/developers-2/). I'm
sure
> > a
> > developer who seriously wants to participate will find them. The links
> > under
> > “Handy resources” then can be moved to the free place.
> >
> > [2] Rename heading “Packages” to “Other Download Packages”. For a user
this
> > makes more clear, that the downloads below are alternatives and are not
> > needed
> > additionally.
> >
> > [3] Insert a link to the extensions and templates site
> > (http://extensions.libreoffice.org) with a short explanation on the
> > download
> > page.
> >
> > [4] Insert a link to the “Get Help” page
> > (https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help).
> >
> > [5] Provide a link to the installation instruction
> > (https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/installation).
> >
> > [6] In order to do not clutter up the download site to much, the
donation
> > hint
> > could be removed. Possibly it is better to display a donation dialogue
at
> > the
> > end of the LibreOffice installation. With such a proceeding you can also
> > reach
> > people who get their LibreOffice from other sources than the download
page.
> > (Hint is not removed from mock-ups yet.)
> >
> > ---------------------
> >
> > [C] Another design possibility: The BitTorrent download buttons can be
> > placed
> > below the heading “Other Download Packages” (see attached file “Mockup
DL
> > 2.dwg”)
> >
> > ----------------------
> >
> > [D] In the past there have been some discussions in order to improve the
> > download site according different versions of LibreOffice. Especially
if a
> > version is still in the early adopter phase users complained about
> > problems.
> > See:
> > (https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Download_Page)
> > (https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibOReleaseLifecycle.png)
> > (German site: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/DE/LODownload)
> >
> > It seemed to me, that this is also the reason, that some localisation
teams
> > still offer 2 LibreOffice versions on their download page (e.g. see
Arabic,
> > French, Italian, Russian or Turkish download sites)
> >
> > In “Mockup DL 3.dwg” I attached a design proposal in order to solve this
> > problem. In this proposal the download buttons for the recommended
version
> > are
> > big and the colour is green (indicates “Good Choice.”) whereas the
buttons
> > for
> > the early adopter version is small and the colour is yellow (indicates
“Be
> > careful!”).
> >
> > Both, size and colour, support the intention to guide a user straight to
> > the
> > right version for her/him:
> > (1) A user who is unaware the release scheme and not interested in other
> > versions will usually take the direct way to the recommended version.
> > (2) A user who is unaware the release scheme but is interested in new
> > versions
> > or new features is guided to the release note link of the early adopter
> > version
> > and after reading she/he can decide.
> > (3) And a user who is aware the scheme is able to download the early
> > adopter
> > version at once.
> >
> > “Mockup DL 4.dwg” is a variation of “Mockup DL 3.dwg”. In “Mockup DL 4”
> > besides
> > the recommended LibreOffice version two additional versions, a long term
> > support (LTS) version and a release candidate, are offered. Just an
> > impression
> > how it may look like if you like to offer 3 different versions.
> >
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https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=73257
will get a draw file.




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Thanks for all of these mockups. IMO, we could already implement some of your suggestions. However, the suggestions touch a lot on the philophy behind the downsload area, is it for user use only or for developer. This is where we are still at a point where the debate is still ongoing.

IMO, the download page is a very busy area, and, I am sure that, if we were to look at the metrics, the majority of people who use this pages are users. So, by that, I would say that the download page should be directed towards the use of "users".

I agree also that the developer sections on the download page could easily be moved to the dev section of the site, and also agree, that any dedicated dev would/could find the location to download any files necessary for her/his work.

So, if we were to do this, we could easily include all of the 2 columns below the download button that you show on mockup #1.

As for the extra buttons, I do not agree to this for the main site. I believe that we should only have one button, but, as you say, it is not clear. Perhaps instead we should have the download button, with 3 distinct links -- there is enough space to do the following:

Main Installer -- 180 MB
(LibreOffice Server / Bit Torrent / Other LibreOffice Servers /

LibreOffice built-in help -- 9 MB
(LibreOffice Server / Bit Torrent / Other LibreOffice Servers /


Along with the suggestions of your first mockup, this would work well and perhaps lead to fewer mis-guided downloads. The most important of all of this, is that we could implement this right now, without delay.

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As for the nl download pages, I agree, there may be a need for a 2-button system if the nl-teams find confusion over the latest version and the supported version. I especially like the way the FR team does their download page http://fr.libreoffice.org/telecharger/ The information is all there on the page, especially information on the use of Java (which hopefully will disappear when we completely obsolete the use of java with our suite).

Cheers,

Marc

Now that I think of it, I am not sure if this proposal should really be a bug submission, but more of a discussion on the website list with the website team. The proposal that are suggested are not of the function of the button itself, but more a re-arranging the page, so that it is more functional. This, IMO, is something that should be taken up with the website team rather than the dev team.

Should we move the discussion there?

Marc

Let's follow the KISS principle. The current download page are too cluttered with unnecessary junk confusing people, and a separation of links targeted at end users and contributors should have been implemented in the first place. End users are completely uninterested in SDK's or source code, so it makes no sense to have it there. In regard of AppUp, PortableApps, DVD images etc, we can have that, but more discretely in something like "Did you know that…" on the opposite side of the actual download links. We should also bring back the easy pull down menu's if the geolocation fails, and especially because this "solution" is horrible: https://www.libreoffice.org/download/?nodetect. You might also want to look at phasing out SilverStripe CMS due to its severe limitations, as it really don't deliver what we expect from a CMS. Let's have a fresh and modern web site to showcase, and not something that looks like it was put together in a hurry for emergency reasons.

(In reply to comment #0)
> 
> [A] Some months ago a user complaints about the LibreOffice download page
> (https://www.libreoffice.org/download/) on the German discuss mailing list.
> He wrongly downloaded the BitTorrent download file (… .msi.torrent) and not
> the standard file (.. .msi) for the Windows installation. So the
> installation failed. 
> 
> The reason for this problem is an unclear display of the green download
> button. I would expect that I can click somewhere on this button and the
> download starts. But I have to click on “Main installer”. A user normally
> does not expect that there are three links (Main installer, Torrent, Info)
> inside the download button.

Agree.

A user on the Ask site was confused by the Download layout and believed that he had to use bittorrent to download LibreOffice:

http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/15675/test-number-for-2x-in-calc/?answer=15763#post-id-15763

@rcw writes:
"The new LibreOffice download seemed to require Torrent if I didn't want to build my own downloader."

I think the Download page/button definitely needs an update for usability.

@Harald Koester,

Could you please upload a web-friendly (png/svg/etc..) version of the mockups? (Feel free to put them all in one document, if you like). At least for me, that would make it easier for me to glance at how these would look.

Thanks!

Created attachment 77803 [details]
Mock-up 1 in png format

Created attachment 77804 [details]
Mock-up 2 in png Format

Created attachment 77805 [details]
Mock-up 3 in png format

Created attachment 77807 [details]
Mock-up 4 in png format

(In reply to comment #14)

> Could you please upload a web-friendly (png/svg/etc..) version of the
> mockups? 

Done.

Looks to me this bug can be closed due the newly designed website?

Can we close this bug?

Kind regards,
Joren

Done.