Bug 64445 - EDITING: Enable immediate click in and text edit if over "Wrap Through" image - add "Send behind the text"
Summary: EDITING: Enable immediate click in and text edit if over "Wrap Through" image...
Status: NEW
Alias: None
Product: LibreOffice
Classification: Unclassified
Component: Writer (show other bugs)
Version:
(earliest affected)
Inherited From OOo
Hardware: All All
: low minor
Assignee: Not Assigned
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Whiteboard: BSA
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Blocks: Anchor-and-Text-Wrap
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Reported: 2013-05-10 22:01 UTC by Jim Avera
Modified: 2023-10-12 13:35 UTC (History)
2 users (show)

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Demo doc showing impossible-to-edit text with image behind (26.89 KB, application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.text)
2013-05-10 22:01 UTC, Jim Avera
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Description Jim Avera 2013-05-10 22:01:22 UTC
Created attachment 79122 [details]
Demo doc showing impossible-to-edit text with image behind

If an image has "Wrap" set to "Through", the text flows over it.  However there does not seem to be any way to edit the text after the image is imported.  Any click in the text area selects the image.

Sending the image to the rear of the stack does not seem to help, nor does Alt-Click cycle between the image and text.

I'm not sure how this is supposed to work (can't find any clear documentation about the situation).  However my intuitive expectation is that if I can perform Arrange->Send to Back on the image then it will be behind the text, allowing the text to be selected.

See attached emo.
Operating System: Ubuntu
Version: 4.0.3.3 rc
Comment 1 Joel Madero 2013-10-07 04:37:14 UTC
Well I see your point but it is possible, just difficult, after lots of clicking around I was able to get to the text but it was a pain. 

As I have been pretty much able to confirm the issue on:
Version 4.1.1.2 
Platform: Ubuntu 13.04 x64
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Marking as:

New (confirmed)
Minor - doesn't prevent high quality work but can slow it down
Lowest - pretty easy work around (move the image), I don't see a reason to change from default for minor bugs (low)


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Comment 2 QA Administrators 2015-04-01 14:42:46 UTC Comment hidden (obsolete)
Comment 3 Jim Avera 2015-04-11 19:25:07 UTC Comment hidden (obsolete)
Comment 4 tommy27 2016-04-16 07:25:37 UTC Comment hidden (obsolete)
Comment 5 Jim Avera 2016-05-31 18:45:55 UTC
Bug is still there in 5.1.3.2

Also, I was never able to find any way to edit the text (besides removing the image or moving it somehwere else in the document temporarily).  I'm curious how Joel did it.

=> Again Arrange->Send to Back has no apparent effect with respect to text.  In other words, the image can't be put "behind" the text so you can select the text.
Comment 6 Cor Nouws 2016-08-25 10:32:43 UTC
(In reply to Jim Avera from comment #5)

> Also, I was never able to find any way to edit the text (besides removing
> the image or moving it somehwere else in the document temporarily).  I'm
> curious how Joel did it.

Click > image selected
ESC > cursor at the start of the text
 ... move cursor with keyboard

;)
Comment 7 QA Administrators 2017-09-01 11:20:42 UTC Comment hidden (obsolete)
Comment 8 Jim Avera 2017-09-29 18:59:41 UTC
The problem still exists in master 6.0.0.0.alpha0+ built 2017-09-27_03:02:09.

To recap:  An image with wrap=Through is supposed to allow text to flow over the image; but there is almost no practical way to edit said text.

I would like to request reconsideration of the Low priority assignment ("minor - does not prevent high-quality work") for the following reasons:

* While it is possible to move the image aside temporarily to edit the text, the whole point of overlaying an image with text is so you can create text which "fits" the image; moving the image elsewhere completely prevents that creative work.

* Per Comment 6, you can select the image and then press ESC, which selects the text but puts the cursor at the start of the first paragraph, after which the arrow keys can be used to navigate within the text.  However not being able to use the mouse to position the cursor, or to select, copy, paste, etc. (all the normal text-editing operations) is IMO a large impedement to getting work done.


Thanks for reconsidering this issue.
Comment 9 QA Administrators 2018-09-30 02:46:52 UTC Comment hidden (obsolete)
Comment 10 Timur 2019-10-11 10:20:54 UTC
Repro 6.4+
In MSO we can click directly to text end edit. Also there are right-click options (in what would be LO's Arrange right-click menu) "Bring in front of text" (which behaves like LO now) and "Send behind the text" (which behaves as expected and which seems default because attached ODT opens like that).
Comment 11 QA Administrators 2021-10-11 03:32:14 UTC Comment hidden (obsolete)
Comment 12 Jim Avera 2021-10-12 20:22:05 UTC
Still the same in master.   

Images still do not obey "Arrange".  If they aren't intended to, then the Arrange menu item should be inactive.   

Maybe mouse-cliks on text (or white space between characters?) are not being consumed by text, or for some other reason are propagated down to "lower" layers?


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Comment 13 Sophie Sipasseuth 2023-10-12 13:35:31 UTC
(In reply to Cor Nouws from comment #6)
> (In reply to Jim Avera from comment #5)
> 
> > Also, I was never able to find any way to edit the text (besides removing
> > the image or moving it somehwere else in the document temporarily).  I'm
> > curious how Joel did it.
> 
> Click > image selected
> ESC > cursor at the start of the text
>  ... move cursor with keyboard
> 
> ;)

This solution works well. But I'm not sure I could have found it intuitively.

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