Created attachment 90766 [details] Same text, different currency symbols Problem description: The PT Serif font bundled with LO has a serious (and deliberate) bug in the currency symbols block. The new Russian Ruble symbol is substituted for the Indian Rupee and Turkish Lira symbols. Steps to reproduce: 1. In Writer type ₹100 [100 Rupees] or ₺1000 [1000 Turkish Lira] using e.g. Source Sans Pro 2. Select text and change font to PT Serif Current behavior: The ₹ and ₺ symbols change to the new Russian Ruble symbol introduced several days ago. Expected behavior: Currency symbols remain unchanged. Background Information: Several years ago, a group of Russian type foundries designed a symbol for the Ruble that they hoped would be officially adopted. [This was approved this week; http://rt.com/business/ruble-has-its-own-sign-038/]. To promote their then-unofficial symbol, ParaType added it to their fonts in a Very Bad Way - they used ALL of the codepoints in the Currency Symbols block that were empty at that time. (U+20B6 to U+20CF). Since then, there have been additions to that block, including Indian Rupee and Turkish Lira, and more are coming, including Azerbaijan Manat. Resolution: LibreOffice should stop bundling the PT Serif font until ParaType issues a properly-encoded version. Otherwise the currencies that users refer to in their documents will be ambiguous. Operating System: Windows (other) Version: 4.2.0.0.beta2
Hi dlasher, I reproduce with LO 4.2.0.0.beta2 & Windows 7 Home Premium. I set status to New. Thanks for the report. Jacques
Michael: do you know who manages bundled fonts?
Caolan is a bit of a font expert =)
so, these were added originally under... "Date: Fri Nov 2 14:58:41 2012 +0100 Add more fonts (PT Serif, Source Code Pro and Souce Sans Pro under OFL; Open Sans under ALv2)" Its the OFL so we can't really delete the symbols locally and keep the name IIUC. So its either drop the font and anyone that has used it already looses out, or keep the font and suffer the problem that there are now incorrect symbols used for the newly assigned currency unicode positions. Both options suck.
1) I took a look to the Paratype's website in "Free stuff" section and I read this: "You may not place them on Web and FTP sites for free download, post them in newsgroups or distribute them by other means!" Is it really ok to include fonts from them in LO package or ? 2) is there any chance Paratype releases a new version quickly which include the new symbols? Caolán: I agree both solutions are quite bad but IMHO I think the dlasher's one (to remove the font until it's ok) is less bad. Of course, this should be indicated in release notes with the detailed reason of this.
(In reply to comment #5) > 1) I took a look to the Paratype's website in "Free stuff" section It's not about the fonts we ship. You should look at http://www.paratype.com/public/ instead.
This font bug shouldn’t mean stopping bundling the font IMHO, one can always switch to a different font to display a missing character.
(In reply to comment #6) > (In reply to comment #5) > > 1) I took a look to the Paratype's website in "Free stuff" section > It's not about the fonts we ship. You should look at > http://www.paratype.com/public/ instead. Thank you for the link, I had missed it.
Afaik, Google Fonts autogenerates smaller versions of OFL fonts, removing various characters etc. as you wish. PT Serif is one of them: http://www.google.com/fonts/specimen/PT+Serif So, being pragmatic, it should be possible to fix this bug without running into Paratype lawyers, right? (I would not expect them to fix it for us.)
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Still present in 4.4.4 (Windows) As of Unicode 8.0, there are now *eight* other currency symbols that PT Serif shows as ₽ (Ruble Sign): U+20B6, Livre Tournois Sign U+20B7, Spesmilo Sign U+20B8, Tenge Sign U+20B9, Indian Rupee Sign U+20BA, Turkish Lira Sign U+20BB, Nordic Mark Sign U+20BC, Manat Sign U+20BE, Lari Sign Frankly, I don't see why PT Serif is worth keeping. It seems to have only a couple of characters that Gentium Basic doesn't have, and many OS and some free fonts have better coverage, even of Cyrillic.
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Still present in 5.2.2.2 (Windows) As of Unicode 9.0, there are now *eight* other currency symbols that the bundled PT Serif font shows as ₽ (Ruble Sign): U+20B6, Livre Tournois Sign U+20B7, Spesmilo Sign U+20B8, Tenge Sign U+20B9, Indian Rupee Sign U+20BA, Turkish Lira Sign U+20BB, Nordic Mark Sign U+20BC, Manat Sign U+20BE, Lari Sign The Bitcoin symbol is in the pipeline for Unicode 10.0, so it will be affected too. I see that this PT Serif font is no longer available from Paratype. It seems to have a replacement called PT Serif Expert (http://www.paratype.com/expert/), which does not have this bug. It only comes in a single regular style and may not be available for redistribution. Could LibreOffice *please* get rid of the fatally flawed and obsolete PT Serif font?
Andras: having noticed some of your recent commits about fonts, thought you might be interested in this one.
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It seems the PT Serif font has been removed following fix for tdf#103080 at least from 6.0 branch so it should be ok with last LO version 6.4.5 See https://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=0ce173b50fd12342979cf3f8f9b2d92267552060 author Yousuf Philips <philipz85@hotmail.com> 2017-12-06 16:15:35 +0400 committer Yousuf Philips <philipz85@hotmail.com> 2017-12-16 12:49:14 +0100 commit 0ce173b50fd12342979cf3f8f9b2d92267552060 (patch) tree 770baadacb31d8027670c06fe69490d799079b29 parent cf7056223c004ef905f66bf11f9af8e2b057df27 (diff) tdf#103080 Dont package Open Sans and PT_Serif fonts Let's put this one to WFM then. dlasher: don't hesitate to reopen this tracker if you still reproduce this with LO 6.4.5