Bug 73080 - COUNTBLANK counts formula with reference to blank cell
Summary: COUNTBLANK counts formula with reference to blank cell
Alias: None
Product: LibreOffice
Classification: Unclassified
Component: Calc (show other bugs)
(earliest affected) release
Hardware: x86 (IA32) All
: high normal
Assignee: Not Assigned
Keywords: bibisected, regression
Depends on:
Reported: 2013-12-27 18:16 UTC by Regina Henschel
Modified: 2015-12-15 11:03 UTC (History)
3 users (show)

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Examples with blank cells and empty strings (13.62 KB, application/x-vnd.oasis.opendocument.spreadsheet)
2014-10-20 20:44 UTC, Regina Henschel

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Description Regina Henschel 2013-12-27 18:16:08 UTC
Make sure B2 is empty, that means, that it does not contain any content.
Write the formula =B2 into cell B3
Write the formula =COUNTBLANK(B2:B3) into cell A1.
Expected result: A1 shows number 1.
Seen result: A1 shows number 2.

The content of cell B3 is a formula, therefore it is not empty and may not be counted. The specification only allows the exception, that a cell, which contains a zero-length string, may be counted by COUNTBLANK.

Apache OpenOffice, Gnumeric, and Excel does not count cell B3 and return 1 in the example given above.

Suggestion: LibreOffice does not count cell which has a formula that refers an empty cell.
Comment 1 Dominique Boutry 2014-01-13 13:13:47 UTC
It is mandatory to adher to ISO/CEI 26300 norm, but this norm leaves an open implementation-defined on the subject.

I support the suggestion of Regina, for :
- facilitating the application port to/from other spreadsheets,
- the consistency with "ISBLANK".
Comment 2 A (Andy) 2014-09-20 13:12:37 UTC
also for me this seems to be inconsistent if COUNTBLANK returns 2 but ISBLANK returns another result
Comment 3 ign_christian 2014-09-20 14:06:30 UTC
Still reproduced with LO - Ubuntu 12.04 x86

Not reproduced with LO and below
Comment 4 raal 2014-10-06 19:10:10 UTC
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commit 7be7cf83087144563a18000acdae82c8fd6f4872
Author: Bjoern Michaelsen <bjoern.michaelsen@canonical.com>
Date:   Mon Dec 10 00:13:53 2012 +0000

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    Author:     Michael Stahl <mstahl@redhat.com>
    AuthorDate: Thu Jul 12 22:18:43 2012 +0200
    Commit:     Michael Stahl <mstahl@redhat.com>
    CommitDate: Thu Jul 12 22:18:43 2012 +0200
        warning C4101: unreferenced local variable
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Comment 5 Kohei Yoshida 2014-10-16 00:06:55 UTC
Taking this.
Comment 7 Kohei Yoshida 2014-10-16 00:15:51 UTC
4.3 backport request: https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/11993
Comment 8 Kohei Yoshida 2014-10-16 00:16:25 UTC
I've written a unit test for this, so this corner case is covered.
Comment 9 Kohei Yoshida 2014-10-20 13:01:45 UTC
Regina, could you check with Eike (and vise versa)?  He says in the gerrit review that

"Um.. what I meant was that ="" should not be counted as blank/empty cell at all, the previous revision of this patch introduced that for range references, and this revision now introduces it also for single references, this was not the case before and not an existing issue. This changes behaviour. However, ISBLANK() does not yield TRUE for ="" and COUNTBLANK() should match that."

That contradicts with what you originally said which is

"The specification only allows the exception, that a cell, which contains a zero-length string, may be counted by COUNTBLANK."

Comment 10 Kohei Yoshida 2014-10-20 13:15:20 UTC
Perhaps this is another item that should go to the calculation settings.  Excel counts ="" as blank in COUNTBLANK at least.
Comment 11 Eike Rathke 2014-10-20 18:01:35 UTC
Which probably was the reason to have that implementation-defined in ODFF. I agree that we should align with Excel and Gnumeric in the behavior, but changing it in a micro release might not be good. I suggest to

* for 4.3 fix the reference to empty cell to not be counted, which the
  original bug report is about, and not touch the ="" behavior
* for 4.4 introduce yet another compatibility calculation setting for empty
  string returns
Comment 12 Regina Henschel 2014-10-20 20:44:00 UTC
Created attachment 108137 [details]
Examples with blank cells and empty strings

I agree with Eike.

My report is not about handling empty strings, but about handling a reference to an empty cell. That can be fixed in 4.3. code line.

Handling of empty strings should not be changed in a micro release and only with compatibility options. Empty strings are widely used and changing behavior must not break existing spreadsheets; especially as it is not an error but an implementation dependent behavior. That is not suitable for a micro release.

The attached spreadsheet contains several test usages of ISBLANK and COUNTBLANK. [BTW: I have detected a similar bug for ISBLANK, issue will follow.]
Comment 13 Kohei Yoshida 2014-10-21 01:28:06 UTC
Fair enough.  I've abandoned my backport to 4.3.
Comment 14 Joel Madero 2014-11-02 16:37:21 UTC
Can this be closed as FIXED?
Comment 15 Regina Henschel 2014-11-02 18:31:40 UTC
I have tested Version:
Build ID: b167d1127e1579468a74c4414e7f4f33d9d24122
TinderBox: Win-x86@51-TDF, Branch:MASTER, Time: 2014-11-02_03:04:44

The error, that references to empty cells are count, is fixed.

But there has been introduced a new behavior, that empty strings are count. This was introduced without the compatibility option Eike mentioned. And when opening an older document saved by OpenOffic.org, this is recalculated to the new behavior, although the option "never recalculate" is selected.

Without a proper compatibility option as document setting, and an automatic detection for older documents, counting cells with empty strings should not be implemented. In addition the help should mention counting empty strings, because it is an implementation dependent feature. When you decide to close this issue, a follow up issue for the compatibility of the new behavior is needed.
Comment 16 QA Administrators 2014-11-02 19:11:47 UTC
(In reply to Regina Henschel from comment #15)
> I have tested Version:
> Build ID: b167d1127e1579468a74c4414e7f4f33d9d24122
> TinderBox: Win-x86@51-TDF, Branch:MASTER, Time: 2014-11-02_03:04:44
> The error, that references to empty cells are count, is fixed.

Then can we close this and create a new bug?
Comment 17 Regina Henschel 2014-11-02 20:40:52 UTC
Comment 18 Robinson Tryon (qubit) 2015-12-15 11:03:23 UTC
Migrating Whiteboard tags to Keywords: (bibisected)