Logo toolbar contains buttons with the following text:
I suggest to explicitally show the parameters used with these buttons, like these:
I think the buttons are being true to the commands they represent when a user is typing them, so i dont think it needs to be elaborated in the tooltips.
@jmadero & @qubit: What do you think?
(In reply to comment #0)
> Logo toolbar contains buttons with the following text:
- Enable the Logo toolbar via the menu: View -> Toolbars -> Logo
- See how the buttons look
- See the button tooltips
(In reply to comment #1)
> I think the buttons are being true to the commands they represent when a
> user is typing them, so i dont think it needs to be elaborated in the
> @jmadero & @qubit: What do you think?
Testing Version: 18.104.22.168.beta1 + Ubuntu 12.04.4
The button icons seem decent to me, however when they are docked next to other toolbars it isn't immediately obvious that they are intended for LOGO purposes. For example, the icons for "Left" and "Right" look very similar to the icons for "Undo" and "Redo".
As for the tooltip text, some of it is rather confusing. There's a button of an empty page with tooltip "Clear Screen"; it's kind of confusing that pressing that button doesn't clear the screen/page in Writer.
One possible solution would be to put a little turtle graphic (e.g. an isosceles triangle) in the corner of each LOGO-related button. I'd also suggest that each tooltip be made more LOGO-descriptive. Even "FORWARD 10" might be confusing unless it's "LOGO: FORWARD 10" or "Move LOGO turtle FORWARD 10"
(In reply to comment #2)
> As for the tooltip text, some of it is rather confusing. There's a button of
> an empty page with tooltip "Clear Screen"; it's kind of confusing that
> pressing that button doesn't clear the screen/page in Writer.
The "Clear Screen" tooltip and button equal to the logo 'CLEARSCREEN' command which clears the output of the logo turtle.
> One possible solution would be to put a little turtle graphic (e.g. an
> isosceles triangle) in the corner of each LOGO-related button. I'd also
> suggest that each tooltip be made more LOGO-descriptive. Even "FORWARD 10"
> might be confusing unless it's "LOGO: FORWARD 10" or "Move LOGO turtle
> FORWARD 10"
I would suggest the toolbar would have a turtle as its first icon in the toolbar, so when its docked it easily understandable that everything else in the toolbar is logo related, as a turtle graphic in each icon will not be visible in the small icon size.
I know nothing about LibreLogo - that's why I added nemeth to the cc as he's the one with the knowledge here
I understand that the tooltips are one thing, and the button images are something else. Button images seems ok to me.
Some buttons represent commands that can be typed in LibreLogo. So, I think it would be more consistent to use a more precise tooltip. There is no way to type FORWARD without parameters; so, it would be better to use a tootip with "FORWARD 10", since the turtle moves 10 pts with this button.
About buttons, I agree that it could be confusing for the newbies to show the Logo toolbar and see these buttons next to the "normal" buttons. One suggestion is to include a new button in Logo bar to be the first button, with the image of a turtle. This button could be used to open the Logo help screen.
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I think the NEEDINFO part was answered.
Status -> UNCONFIRMED
That being said, this sounds like a UX decision, so handing it to them to triage
Component - > ux-advise
Status -> NEW
@Stuart, @Heiko: What do you think of the changing of these tooltips?
Created attachment 112099 [details]
LibreLogo help article wef 4.4.0
I'd tend to agree with OP.
The LibreLogo command should be used as the tool-tip for these buttons.
From the LibreLogo help (attached):
"Turtle moving icons:--
They are equivalents of the Logo commands “FORWARD 10”, “BACK 10”, “LEFT 15”, “RIGHT 15”. Clicking on one of the icons will also focus the turtle shape scrolling the page to its position."
Also, since this is kind of specialized educational function--some redesigned "Turtle" specific icons would probably be appropriate.
The suggestion sounds reasonable. But I never tried this extension.
Patch has been sent in. https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/14702
As these tooltips are actual programming commands, i believe they should not be translated. @Stuart: Do you know what i have to do to make it not translatable.
This fix only fixes the tooltips, but i dont have any experience in adding the turtle icon.
(In reply to Jay Philips from comment #11)
> As these tooltips are actual programming commands, i believe they should not
> be translated.
If you have ever worked with a Logo-like programming language, you will have known who is the intended audience of it. These programming languages are translated, as they should. And LibreLogo is already localized for a number of languages.
Yousuf Philips committed a patch related to this issue.
It has been pushed to "master":
tdf#78622 Fix LibreLogo tooltips
It will be available in 4.5.0.
The patch should be included in the daily builds available at
http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/ in the next 24-48 hours. More
information about daily builds can be found at:
Affected users are encouraged to test the fix and report feedback.
Thanks! By the way, see if this annoying bug has something to do with some xml mistake: